Shouldn't you get hotter as wind gets stronger?

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The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of feeling colder in windy conditions, particularly in cold weather. Participants explore the interplay between heat generation, heat loss through convection and evaporation, and the effects of wind on perceived temperature. The scope includes conceptual reasoning and technical explanations related to thermodynamics and human physiology.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that while air molecules can cause friction and generate heat, the loss of heat through convection and evaporation is more significant in windy conditions.
  • One participant suggests that intuition might indicate feeling colder when wind increases, even if evaporation is halted by a barrier like cellophane.
  • Another participant emphasizes that cold, windy, and rainy conditions can feel particularly harsh due to the conductive properties of water, which can enhance heat loss.
  • It is mentioned that while high wind speeds can lead to significant heating effects in specific scenarios (e.g., supersonic aircraft), for typical ground-level winds, the cooling effect due to increased convection outweighs any heat generated.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effects of wind on temperature perception, with some agreeing on the mechanisms of heat loss while others question the intuitive understanding of these effects. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the overall impact of wind on perceived temperature.

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Participants acknowledge that the discussion is influenced by factors such as individual thermal equilibrium, environmental conditions, and the specific properties of materials affecting heat transfer.

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Physics tells us that air molecules would cause friction which in turn would make an object hotter.

So why do I freeze my :smile::smile::smile: off in the cold when it starts getting windy (while I'm obviously not sweating).
 
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Nano-Passion said:
Physics tells us that air molecules would cause friction which in turn would make an object hotter.

So why do I freeze my :smile::smile::smile: off in the cold when it starts getting windy (while I'm obviously not sweating).



Because despite any heat from friction, you loose more heat via convection and evaporation Your skin is always loosing heat to evaporative cooling, even at cool temperatures. Only during extreme humidity is evaporative cooling essentially reduced to zero. That's why humid weather feels much hotter than dry weather.
 
I guess someone needs to go out on a cold day dressed in nothing but a thin layer of cellophane and see if it feels colder when the wind starts blowing. Intuition makes me think one would feel colder, even though the cellophane would stop evaporation, but could be wrong.
 
bobze said:
Because despite any heat from friction, you loose more heat via convection and evaporation Your skin is always loosing heat to evaporative cooling, even at cool temperatures. Only during extreme humidity is evaporative cooling essentially reduced to zero. That's why humid weather feels much hotter than dry weather.
Hot humid air, yes. Cold humid air, no. In my mind there isn't much worse than a cold, windy, rainy day, say 40 F / 4 C. It cuts right through everything, even if you do manage to stay dry. That is just cold and miserable, much worse than is a nice clear, calm winter day with temperatures around 20 F / -6 C. Water is an incredible conductor of heat.
 
venton said:
I guess someone needs to go out on a cold day dressed in nothing but a thin layer of cellophane and see if it feels colder when the wind starts blowing. Intuition makes me think one would feel colder, even though the cellophane would stop evaporation, but could be wrong.

You would still get conduction of heat from skin to air.

So, with cellophane, cold would still be cold, but adding wind would not make a lot of difference. I guess this is the principle by which windbreakers work. They're thin enough that they don't really prevent the loss of conduction, but they do stop the wind from removing heat by evaporation.
 
The reason is because you are not in thermal equilibrium with the air before the wind started blowing. You are generating heat internallly and losing it by mainly by convection and evaporation (sweating), plus a small amount of radiation as well. If the heat generation and loss are equal, your temperature stays constant.

You are right in the sense that there is a significant heating effect at very high wind speeds. For supersonic aircraft there can be local temperature rises of the order of 100 degrees C, and much more than that when the space shuttle re-enters the atmosphere or meteors burn up in the atmosphere. But for normal ground-level wind speeds acting on humans, the increase in convection cooling rate is much bigger than the extra heat generated, so you get colder.
 

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