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The discussion focuses on proving that the subset W of P3, defined by the conditions p(1) = p(-1) and p(2) = p(-2), is a subspace and finding a spanning set for W. Participants clarify that W is indeed a subspace by demonstrating closure and the presence of the zero vector. They derive conditions from the equations p(1) and p(2) that lead to the conclusion that a + c = 0 and 4a + c = 0, ultimately revealing that a = c = 0. The resulting polynomial simplifies to p(x) = 1 + x^2, indicating that the spanning set for W is {1, x^2}.
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Homework Statement



Let W be the subset of all P3 defined by

W={p(x) in P3: p(1)=p(-1) and p(2)=p(-2)}

Show that W is a subspace of P3, and find a spanning set for W.

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This is homework we can correct. I've attached my work. The first one with red and purple writing is what I submitted. The black and yellow one is my redo attempt.

On my original one, the TA wrote in red and I wrote random stuff in purple.

In my redo, I first attempted to prove W is a subspace using the closure, multiplication, and zero vector properties.
I don't know how to find the spanning set. Is that a way to get it without guessing? I understand the answer but I don't know how to get it.
 

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well first do you know the dimension of your subspace? that tells you how many vectors you're looking for. The dimension of P^3 is 4, so it will be less than or equal to that.

Note there is no unique set of spanning vectors as when you have a basis any vector within it can be be replaced by a linear combination of the orginal vectors and any other basis vectors.

so first write an arbitary element in your set P^3 as
ax^3 + bx2 + cx +d
now it must satisfy p(1) = p(-1) so
a + b + c +d = (-a) + b + (-c) +d
and p(2) = p(-2) so
8a + 4b + 2c +d = (-8a) + 4b + (-2c) +d

use these constraints to find the basis vectors
 
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Any "vector" in P3 can be written in the form ax^3+ bx^2+ cx+ d. The requirement that p(1)= p(-1) means that a+ b+ c+ d= -a+ b- c+ d or a+ c= 0. The requirement that p(2)= p(-2) means that 8a+ 4b+ 2c+ d= -8a+ 4b- 2c+ d or a+ c= 0. You really have just one condition.

Knowing that c= -a means you can write ax^3+ bx^2+ cx+ d as what?
 
wait Halls so
a+ b+ c+ d= -a+ b- c+ d gives 2a+ 2c= 0
\implies a+ c= 0

but doesn't
8a+ 4b+ 2c+ d= -8a+ 4b- 2c+ d gives 16a+ 4c= 0
\implies \textbf{4}a+ c= 0

which leads to a=c=0?
 
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Thanks for both of your help.

lanedance said:
wait Halls so
a+ b+ c+ d= -a+ b- c+ d gives 2a+ 2c= 0
\implies a+ c= 0

but doesn't
8a+ 4b+ 2c+ d= -8a+ 4b- 2c+ d gives 16a+ 4c= 0
\implies \textbf{4}a+ c= 0

which leads to a=c=0?

Thanks so much! Since a=c=0, I'm left with

p(x) = 1 + x2

So the basis is 1, x2 which is the spanning set.
I really appreciate it, so much.
 
lanedance said:
wait Halls so
a+ b+ c+ d= -a+ b- c+ d gives 2a+ 2c= 0
\implies a+ c= 0

but doesn't
8a+ 4b+ 2c+ d= -8a+ 4b- 2c+ d gives 16a+ 4c= 0
\implies \textbf{4}a+ c= 0

which leads to a=c=0?
Yes, you are right. Guess my eyes went fuzzy there!
 
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