Show Idempotence of T:R^3 to R^3 Transformation

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating the idempotence of a linear transformation defined from R^3 to R^3. The transformation is given in a specific form, and participants are exploring how to show that it satisfies the idempotent property, particularly focusing on its eigenvalues and matrix representation.

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  • Participants discuss the definition of idempotence and consider showing that T^2 = T. There are questions about how to express the transformation in matrix form and how to perform matrix multiplication. Some participants express uncertainty about the steps involved in squaring the transformation.

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There is ongoing exploration of the transformation's properties, with some participants suggesting direct calculations and others expressing confusion about the process. Guidance has been offered regarding the matrix representation and the application of the transformation multiple times.

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Participants mention challenges with visualizing linear transformations and express that they are still early in their studies of linear algebra, which may affect their understanding of the problem.

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How do you show that a linear transformation is idempotent?

T:R^3 to R^3 T (x y z)^T = (0.5 (x-z) , y, 0.5 (z-x))


I have no idea where to begin. I know a few facts about idempotent properties e.g such as their eigenvalues are either 0 or 1. How would I show that the above transformation has these eigenvalues. I know how to find them but the above form has thrown me off. Would I have to just prove a couple of idempotent to show it is idempotent?
Thanks in advance
 
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Maths2468 said:
How do you show that a linear transformation is idempotent?

T:R^3 to R^3 T (x y z)^T = (0.5 (x-z) , y, 0.5 (z-x))


I have no idea where to begin. I know a few facts about idempotent properties e.g such as their eigenvalues are either 0 or 1. How would I show that the above transformation has these eigenvalues. I know how to find them but the above form has thrown me off. Would I have to just prove a couple of idempotent to show it is idempotent?
Thanks in advance

Why don't you just directly show that ##T^2=T##, either from the above definition or its matrix representation?
 
LCKurtz said:
Why don't you just directly show that ##T^2=T##, either from the above definition or its matrix representation?

ok so how would I square this matrix? if I write it in matrix form would it be 0.5x-0.5x
y
-0.5z+0.5z

or do I not expand the bracket because the x variable and z variable cancel out?
 
Maths2468 said:
ok so how would I square this matrix? if I write it in matrix form would it be 0.5x-0.5x
y
-0.5z+0.5z

or do I not expand the bracket because the x variable and z variable cancel out?

You have to write it in matrix form if you want to get a matrix to square.$$
T(x,y,z) = \begin{bmatrix} a&b&c\\d&e&f\\g&h&i\end{bmatrix}
\begin{bmatrix}x\\y\\z\end{bmatrix}=
\begin{bmatrix}\frac 12(x-z)\\y\\\frac 1 2(z-x)\end{bmatrix}$$Once you figure out that matrix ##A## you can square it to see if ##A^2=A##.

Also, as I suggested before, you have the formula for ##T(x,y,z)##. You could just apply it twice.
 
so if I multiply them I get ax+by+cz 0.5(x-z)
dx+ey+fz = y
gx+hy+iz 0.5(z-x)

Is that what you meant? I am not sure where I am going with this.
 
But it is obvious. If T(x,y,z)=(0.5(x-z), y, 0.5(z-x)) for all x,y,z, then what is T(0.5(x-z), y, 0.5(z-x))?
 
Erland said:
But it is obvious. If T(x,y,z)=(0.5(x-z), y, 0.5(z-x)) for all x,y,z, then what is T(0.5(x-z), y, 0.5(z-x))?

I honestly can not see the answer. Could you give me an example if you do not mind? It does not have to be this specific problem. maybe I am looking at the problem from a different angle if it is meant to be that obvious.
is it
0.5 0 -0.5
0 1 0
-0.5 0 0.5
 
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You just have to calculate T(0.5(x-z), y, 0.5(z-x)) and see what the answer is.
 
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Erland said:
You just have to calculate T(0.5(x-z), y, 0.5(z-x)) and see what the answer is.

ahh ok so the matrix representation is what I said above and then you just check the properties of the idempotent apply
 
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Maths2468 said:
I honestly can not see the answer. Could you give me an example if you do not mind? It does not have to be this specific problem. maybe I am looking at the problem from a different angle if it is meant to be that obvious.
is it
Code:
       0.5   0   -0.5
       0     1    0
      -0.5   0    0.5

Yes, that is the matrix representation. What happens if you square that matrix, which represents ##T^2##?

I am curious what course you are taking. Have you talked about matrix representations of linear transformations?
 
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Erland said:
But it is obvious. If T(x,y,z)=(0.5(x-z), y, 0.5(z-x)) for all x,y,z, then what is T(0.5(x-z), y, 0.5(z-x))?

Maths2468 said:
I honestly can not see the answer. Could you give me an example if you do not mind?

You are making this way too difficult. You have the formula for ##T##. Could you calculate ##T(1,2,3)##? ##T(a,b,c)##? What about ##T(0.5(x-z), y, 0.5(z-x))##? Just use the formula.
 
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LCKurtz said:
Yes, that is the matrix representation. What happens if you square that matrix, which represents ##T^2##?

I am curious what course you are taking. Have you talked about matrix representations of linear transformations?

I am doing maths.I find the course very well except for linear stuff. I can not picture things. Yeah if you square it you get itself again. we have only just touched on it. I am kind of going ahead of the course.
 

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