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The discussion revolves around the properties and structures of n-spheres, particularly in relation to group theory and Lie groups. Participants explore various mathematical concepts, including the group structure of spheres, the relationship between spheres and division algebras, and the conditions under which spheres can be considered Lie groups.

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  • One participant notes that the group structure of the n-sphere is represented as SO(n+1)/SO(n) and seeks book recommendations on the topic.
  • Another participant suggests that many spaces can be realized through group actions on sets, questioning whether the sphere in three-dimensional space relates to the rotation group SO(3) modulo SO(2).
  • John Lee's "Introduction to Smooth Manifolds" is recommended, specifically referencing examples in chapter 9.
  • Some participants argue that most spheres are not Lie groups, discussing the implications of division algebras and noting that only S^1 and S^3 can be classified as Lie groups.
  • There is speculation about the relationship between group operations on S^{n-1} and the construction of division algebras, with uncertainty expressed regarding the extension of these operations to R^n.
  • One participant emphasizes that while S^1 and S^3 are confirmed to be Lie groups, the reasoning often does not involve real division algebras directly.
  • Discussion includes the distinction between associative and non-associative division algebras, with a mention that some spheres cannot even be topological groups.

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Participants generally agree that S^1 and S^3 are the only spheres that are Lie groups, but there is ongoing debate about the implications of this result and the role of division algebras. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the broader properties of spheres and their group structures.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding assumptions about group operations and their extensions, as well as the definitions of spheres and Lie groups. Some mathematical steps and relationships remain unclear or speculative.

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I find that group structure of n-sphere is SO(n+1)/SO(n) (at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N_sphere). So I want to find a book show that.

Please, show me a title of book and author. Thanks!
 
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many spaces can be realized as a group acting on a set, modulo a subgroup fixing certain points. I.e. if a group acts on a set transitively, and a point has a certain subgroup fixing it, then the set is the group mod the subgroup in some sense. probably this is what is going on. rather than read some book, think about this phenomenon.

e.g. is the sphere in three space somehow equal to the rotation group on three space, modulo the subgroup of rotations fixing one point of the sphere? i.e. is it SO(3)/SO(2)?

I'm not saying it is, just that you will learn more by deciding it for yourself.
 
John Lee's Introduction the Smooth manifold. Look for one of the examples in chapter 9.
 
Most spheres are not Lie groups. You could always turn the underlying set into a group, but then there's no point in it being a sphere.

I think this has something to do with division algebras, maybe. I think if it were a Lie group, maybe you could take the group algebra and get a division algebra. Division algebras only exist in certain dimensions: 1, 2, 4, and 8. So you get spheres of dimension 1 less: 1, 3, and 7. And 7 doesn't work because the octonians, the dimension 8 division algebra, are non-associative, so you can't get a group by taking the unit octonians.

So the only spheres that are groups are S^1 and S^3.

Don't quote me on this, though, since I haven't quite thought it through. Just came up with it off the top of my head. I think it's right, though.

The end result is correct, anyway:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-sphere
 
homeomorphic said:
Most spheres are not Lie groups. You could always turn the underlying set into a group, but then there's no point in it being a sphere.

I think this has something to do with division algebras, maybe. I think if it were a Lie group, maybe you could take the group algebra and get a division algebra. Division algebras only exist in certain dimensions: 1, 2, 4, and 8. So you get spheres of dimension 1 less: 1, 3, and 7. And 7 doesn't work because the octonians, the dimension 8 division algebra, are non-associative, so you can't get a group by taking the unit octonians.

So the only spheres that are groups are S^1 and S^3.

Don't quote me on this, though, since I haven't quite thought it through. Just came up with it off the top of my head. I think it's right, though.

The end result is correct, anyway:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-sphere
You kind of have it the other way around. If we can endow ##\mathbb R^n## with some "sufficiently nice" multiplication operation, then ##S^{n-1}## will be a group. But the converse isn't clear - why can't we have a group operation on ##S^{n-1}## that doesn't necessarily extend to a nice multiplication on ##\mathbb R^n##?

Anyway, the OP should really try to understand mathwonk's post, which is on the money.
 
You kind of have it the other way around. If you can endow Rn with some nice "multiplication" operation, then Sn−1 will be a nice group. But the converse isn't clear - why can't we have a nice group operation on Sn−1 that doesn't necessarily extend to a nice multiplication on Rn?

It isn't clear, but according to wikipedia and probably some other sources I remember, it is true that only S^1 and S^3 are Lie groups. So, my speculation was that given a group operation on S^n-1, you can construct a division algebra of dimension n somehow. But it's not clear how. The wikipedia article also seems to indicate that the proof should proceed along these lines.
 
homeomorphic said:
It isn't clear, but according to wikipedia and probably some other sources I remember, it is true that only S^1 and S^3 are Lie groups. So, my speculation was that given a group operation on S^n-1, you can construct a division algebra of dimension n somehow. But it's not clear how. The wikipedia article also seems to indicate that the proof should proceed along these lines.
Yes, that result is true: S^1 and S^3 (and S^0) are the only spheres that are Lie groups.

Most proofs I know don't mention real division algebras; it typically goes the other way around: once you have this result, you get a restriction on the possible division algebras.
 
Most proofs I know don't mention real division algebras; it typically goes the other way around: once you have this result, you get a restriction on the possible division algebras.

That only works for associative division algebras, though, which is a bit unfair to the octonians, but I guess the result is really that those are the only spheres that are H-spaces, which have some kind of product that's not necessarily associative.

It should also be mentioned the they can't even be topological groups (with the usual topology).

This might also be of interest:

http://www.unizar.es/acz/05Publicaciones/Revistas/Revista62/p075.pdf
 

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