Troubleshooting N-Spherical Cap Area Formula

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The discussion revolves around the N-spherical cap area formula, specifically addressing issues related to its application and derivation in one and two dimensions. Participants are exploring the mathematical expressions involved and questioning the correctness of the formulas presented.

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  • One participant presents the N-spherical cap area formula and expresses confusion over its application, suggesting it yields incorrect results.
  • Another participant argues that the ratio of the lengths for a one-dimensional cap should be θ/π, providing a sanity check with a specific angle (θ=π/2) to support their claim.
  • A later reply acknowledges the previous point but maintains that the integral expression does not equal θ/π, indicating a potential discrepancy in the derivation.
  • One participant requests a derivation of the one- or two-dimensional spherical cap formula from the N-spherical cap formula, indicating a desire for clarity on the relationships between these formulas.

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Participants express differing views on the correctness of the ratios and integrals related to the spherical cap area formula. There is no consensus on the resolution of the discrepancies raised, and the discussion remains unresolved.

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Participants reference specific mathematical expressions and integrals, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions and conditions under which these formulas hold. The discussion highlights potential limitations in the derivation process.

olgerm
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I am trying to understand N-spherical cap area formula (surface area of blue part), but it seems to give wrong answers.
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for 1 dimensional cap obviously ## \frac{l_{cap}}{l_{sphere}}=\frac{l_{arc}}{l_{circle}}=\frac{r*θ}{r*2π}=\frac{θ}{2π} ##

But according to wikipedia formula ##\frac{l_{cap}}{l_{sphere}}=\frac{I(\frac{(2r-h)h}{r^2},\frac{n}{2},\frac{1}{2})}{2}##
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_cap#Hyperspherical_cap

since ##h=r(1-cos(θ))##
## I(a,b,c)=\int_0^a (dx*x^{b-1}*(1-x)^{c-1})## (incomplete beta function)
and ## n=1##

##\frac{l_{cap}}{l_{sphere}}=\int_0^{sin^2(θ)} (\frac{dx}{\sqrt{x-x^2}})/2##

But
##\int_0^{sin^2(θ)} (\frac{dx}{\sqrt{x-x^2}})≠\frac{θ}{2π}##
Where is mistake?
 
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olgerm said:
for 1 dimensional cap obviously lcaplsphere=larclcircle=rθr∗2π=θ2πlcaplsphere=larclcircle=r∗θr∗2π=θ2π \frac{l_{cap}}{l_{sphere}}=\frac{l_{arc}}{l_{circle}}=\frac{r*θ}{r*2π}=\frac{θ}{2π}
Look at your figure. You have an angle θ on both sides of h. Therefore, the ratio is θ/π. Sanity check: If θ=π/2, the blue part is half the circle - which agrees with my revised expression.
 
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Svein said:
Look at your figure. You have an angle θ on both sides of h. Therefore, the ratio is θ/π. Sanity check: If θ=π/2, the blue part is half the circle - which agrees with my revised expression.
You are right ,but still
##\int_0^{sin^2(θ)} (\frac{dx}{\sqrt{x-x^2}})/2≠\frac{θ}{π}##
 
So can anybody derive 1- or 2-dimensional spherical cap formula from N-spherical cap formula?
 

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