Show that the function satisfies the Schrodinger eqaution

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating that a function satisfies the Schrödinger equation, specifically in the context of quantum mechanics. The original poster expresses uncertainty about how to approach problems related to the time-dependent Schrödinger wave equation (S.W.E) and the inclusion of potential functions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to differentiate the wave function and considers using the fundamental theorem of calculus. They also express confusion about incorporating a potential function related to gravity.
  • Some participants suggest using the Leibniz integral rule and clarify misconceptions about potential functions and their relation to forces.
  • Further attempts involve substituting expressions into the Schrödinger equation, leading to questions about how to manipulate integrals and the implications of dimensionality in the problem.
  • There are inquiries about the notation of the Hamiltonian and its relevance to the discussion, alongside concerns about confirming the validity of derived expressions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on the use of mathematical tools and clarifying concepts related to potential functions. There is an exploration of different interpretations of the problem, particularly regarding the dimensionality and the role of the Hamiltonian. No explicit consensus has been reached, and participants continue to seek clarification and direction.

Contextual Notes

The original poster is self-teaching and lacks access to solutions, which may contribute to their uncertainty. There are also indications of potential confusion regarding the application of concepts from classical mechanics to quantum mechanics.

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Homework Statement



So I am quite new to quantum mechanics and i am self teaching through a book called "Quantum mechanics for applied physics and engineering" by Albert Thomas Fromhold Jr. There are no solutions to the exercises, I am im not sure how to begin with these types of questions since they are new to me.

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Homework Equations



1) Time dependent one-dimensional S.W.E
2) Time dependent one-dimensional S.W.E with potential function

The Attempt at a Solution



I don't know where to start for the first, i could try differentiating it, but I am not sure how, maybe the fundamental theorem of calculus ?

As for the second, I know i need to include a potential function for gravity which I am guessing would be of the form GMm/r^2 in the unit x direction...

Thanks for any pointers!
 
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For the first, you should use the Leibniz integral rule.
And for the second, there are 2 problems with what you suggest:
1) The inverse square law is for the force, not for the potential.
2) The potential should be an accordance with the force. The potential 1/r is for the inverse square force. The uniform field of the question has a linear potential. In fact the potential is derived from [itex]V=-\int_{r_{ref}}^r \vec g \cdot \vec{dr}[/itex].
 
Hi Shyan, thank you for the reply.

I have tried to apply Leibniz's Integral rule as you suggested and have run into what seems a dead end;

## \psi_{xx}(x,t)=\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}-k^2A(k)e^{i(kx-wt)}dk##

## \psi_{t}(x,t)=\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}-i\omega A(k)e^{i(kx-wt)}dk##

When I sub both of these into the one dimensional time dependent Schrödinger equation,##\frac{-\hbar^2}{2m}\psi_{xx}=i\hbar\psi_{t}##, I get;

## \frac{\hbar}{2m}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}-k^2A(k)e^{i(kx-wt)}dk=\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\omega A(k)e^{i(kx-wt)}dk##

I do not know where to proceed from here, I can't figure out how to make the integrals on either side of the equality look like each other (so i can cancel them) since i can't take k or ##\omega## out of the integral. I tried to use that k=w/v where v is velocity but to no avail. Another pointer would be greatly appreciated!

For part two, would the potential function be; ##V(x)=\frac{-GMm}{x}## ? Also can i assume that it is a one dimensional case, I suspect i can't since the hint involved the unit vector in the x direction, which seems to imply 3 dimensional space?
 
Your wave-function is the superposition of plane waves of all possible wave-numvers(Lets call them modes). Now for each mode([itex]\varphi_k(x)[/itex]), we know that its energy is only kinetic and so we have [itex]\hat H \varphi_k(x)=\frac{\hbar^2 k^2}{2m}\varphi_k(x)[/itex]. We also know that [itex]i\hbar \partial_t \varphi_k(x)=\hbar \omega \varphi_k(x)[/itex]. So from Schrödinger equation, we have [itex]\hbar \omega=\frac{\hbar^2 k^2}{2m}[/itex].
I told you about part two, but looks like you didn't pay attention. [itex]V(x)=-\int_{x_0}^x g \hat x \cdot \vec {dx'}=-\int_{x_0}^x g \hat x \cdot \hat x dx'=-\int_{x_0}^x g dx'=-g(x-x_0)[/itex], where [itex]x_0[/itex] is the origin of the potential which is arbitrary.
 
I am not familiar with the notation ##\hat H##, does it represent the total energy of the system? I have not learned about Hamiltonians yet, would you recommend that i do so before I learn QM? I think the book I am reading will introduce it soon though...
I did manage to get it to ##\omega=\frac{\hbar k^2}{2m}## but i couldn't see how this confirmed it is a valid solution. I'm obviously missing something quite important.
 
You should know what is a Hamiltonian so study about it. Anyway, [itex]\hat H=-\frac{\hbar^2}{2m}\frac{\partial^2}{\partial x^2} + V(x)[/itex](for one particle in 1D). But because in the first exercise, V(x)=0, we have [itex]\hat H=-\frac{\hbar^2}{2m}\frac{\partial^2}{\partial x^2}[/itex].
Just take the integrals to the same side and factor [itex]A(k) e^{i(kx-\omega t)} dk[/itex].
 

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