Show that the Hamiltonian commutes with Angular momentum

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The discussion focuses on demonstrating that the Hamiltonian commutes with angular momentum operators, specifically addressing parts (c) and (f) of a homework problem. The user attempts to show that the Hamiltonian, expressed as H = g(J2 - L2 - S2)/2, commutes with J2, L2, and S2, but is uncertain about the commutation relations involving L2 and S2. A suggestion is made to keep the Hamiltonian in the form g L · s, as L2 is a Casimir operator that commutes with any function of the L operators. The discussion emphasizes the importance of understanding the commutation relations between angular momentum and spin operators to simplify the calculations.
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Homework Statement


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Parts (c) and (f) are the ones I'm having trouble with;

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For (c), I assume the problem is meant to involve using the result from part (b), which was H = g(J2 - L2 - S2)/2 .

I was trying just to do it by first showing that H commutes with J2 , and then was going to do the same for L2 and S2, and also I would have just stated that Jz commutes with J2 and therefore also with the Hamiltonian.

But I wasn't entirely sure how to show that this. I tried:

[H, J2] = (g/2) [ J2 - L2 - S2 , J2 ]
=(g/2) ([ J2 , J2] - [L2, J2 ] - [S2 , J2 ])
= (g/2) (0- [L2, J2 ] - [S2 , J2 ])

But I wasn't sure how to show that these last 2 terms are 0. Also I assume this isn't the best method, because it doing it this way you would be answering part (f) in the process. Is there a different method, for only 3 marks?

Any help is appreciated
 

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If I remember correctly a scalar operator commutes with every operator, and a square of an operator is scalar.
 
And a scalar operator is basically, ##s\cdot I## where ##s## is some scalar and ##I## is the identity operator, and you can prove that the identity operator commutes with any other operator.
 
tarkin2 said:

Homework Statement


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Parts (c) and (f) are the ones I'm having trouble with;

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Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


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For (c), I assume the problem is meant to involve using the result from part (b), which was H = g(J2 - L2 - S2)/2 .

I was trying just to do it by first showing that H commutes with J2 , and then was going to do the same for L2 and S2, and also I would have just stated that Jz commutes with J2 and therefore also with the Hamiltonian.

But I wasn't entirely sure how to show that this. I tried:

[H, J2] = (g/2) [ J2 - L2 - S2 , J2 ]
=(g/2) ([ J2 , J2] - [L2, J2 ] - [S2 , J2 ])
= (g/2) (0- [L2, J2 ] - [S2 , J2 ])

But I wasn't sure how to show that these last 2 terms are 0. Also I assume this isn't the best method, because it doing it this way you would be answering part (f) in the process. Is there a different method, for only 3 marks?

Any help is appreciated
Hi. There is no need to rewrite the Hamiltonian, it is easier to leave in the form ##g L \cdot s##. First, note that ##L^2## is a Casimir operator, it commutes with any function of the ##L_i##. They give a hint: what is the commutation relations between the ##L_i## and ##s_j##? Using these two results it is trivial to calculate the commutator or ##L^2## with the Hamiltonian. The other commutators are easy to find using again that ##s^2## commutes with all the ##s_i## and that ##J^2## commutes with all the ##J_i##.
 

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