Show that the Hamiltonian commutes with Angular momentum

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating that the Hamiltonian commutes with angular momentum operators, specifically in the context of quantum mechanics. The original poster is focusing on parts (c) and (f) of a problem that involves the Hamiltonian expressed in terms of angular momentum and spin operators.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to show that the Hamiltonian commutes with the angular momentum operators by calculating commutators. They express uncertainty about the validity of their method and whether it is appropriate for the marks allocated.
  • Some participants suggest that scalar operators commute with all operators and discuss the implications of this for the problem at hand.
  • One participant notes that the Hamiltonian can be left in a different form to simplify the analysis and hints at using properties of Casimir operators and commutation relations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and hints without reaching a consensus. There are suggestions for alternative approaches and clarifications regarding the properties of operators involved.

Contextual Notes

The original poster expresses concern about the method being too complex for the marks available and questions the need to rewrite the Hamiltonian. There is also mention of specific commutation relations that may be relevant to the problem.

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Homework Statement


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Parts (c) and (f) are the ones I'm having trouble with;

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The Attempt at a Solution


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For (c), I assume the problem is meant to involve using the result from part (b), which was H = g(J2 - L2 - S2)/2 .

I was trying just to do it by first showing that H commutes with J2 , and then was going to do the same for L2 and S2, and also I would have just stated that Jz commutes with J2 and therefore also with the Hamiltonian.

But I wasn't entirely sure how to show that this. I tried:

[H, J2] = (g/2) [ J2 - L2 - S2 , J2 ]
=(g/2) ([ J2 , J2] - [L2, J2 ] - [S2 , J2 ])
= (g/2) (0- [L2, J2 ] - [S2 , J2 ])

But I wasn't sure how to show that these last 2 terms are 0. Also I assume this isn't the best method, because it doing it this way you would be answering part (f) in the process. Is there a different method, for only 3 marks?

Any help is appreciated
 

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If I remember correctly a scalar operator commutes with every operator, and a square of an operator is scalar.
 
And a scalar operator is basically, ##s\cdot I## where ##s## is some scalar and ##I## is the identity operator, and you can prove that the identity operator commutes with any other operator.
 
tarkin2 said:

Homework Statement


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Parts (c) and (f) are the ones I'm having trouble with;

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Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


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For (c), I assume the problem is meant to involve using the result from part (b), which was H = g(J2 - L2 - S2)/2 .

I was trying just to do it by first showing that H commutes with J2 , and then was going to do the same for L2 and S2, and also I would have just stated that Jz commutes with J2 and therefore also with the Hamiltonian.

But I wasn't entirely sure how to show that this. I tried:

[H, J2] = (g/2) [ J2 - L2 - S2 , J2 ]
=(g/2) ([ J2 , J2] - [L2, J2 ] - [S2 , J2 ])
= (g/2) (0- [L2, J2 ] - [S2 , J2 ])

But I wasn't sure how to show that these last 2 terms are 0. Also I assume this isn't the best method, because it doing it this way you would be answering part (f) in the process. Is there a different method, for only 3 marks?

Any help is appreciated
Hi. There is no need to rewrite the Hamiltonian, it is easier to leave in the form ##g L \cdot s##. First, note that ##L^2## is a Casimir operator, it commutes with any function of the ##L_i##. They give a hint: what is the commutation relations between the ##L_i## and ##s_j##? Using these two results it is trivial to calculate the commutator or ##L^2## with the Hamiltonian. The other commutators are easy to find using again that ##s^2## commutes with all the ##s_i## and that ##J^2## commutes with all the ##J_i##.
 

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