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The discussion revolves around the convergence of a specific sequence defined by a series involving alternating terms. Participants are tasked with demonstrating the convergence of this sequence through analysis of its subsequences and related series.

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  • Participants explore the convergence of the sequence by examining subsequences of partial sums. There is a focus on how to relate these subsequences to a convergent series. Some participants express uncertainty about the implications of the subsequence notation and its convergence properties.

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There is ongoing exploration of different subsequences and their convergence. Some participants have successfully shown convergence for certain parts of the series, while others are questioning the interpretation of subsequences and the overall convergence of the original series. Guidance has been offered regarding the grouping of terms and the implications for convergence.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of convergence criteria, particularly in relation to absolute convergence and the behavior of partial sums. There is mention of specific terms and series that may influence the overall convergence assessment.

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Using the steps below, show that the following sequence converges:
1+\frac{1}{2}-\frac{2}{3}+\frac{1}{4}+\frac{1}{5}-\frac{2}{6}+\frac{1}{7}+\frac{1}{8}-\frac{2}{9}+\frac{1}{10}+\frac{1}{11}-\frac{2}{12}++-++-...

i. Consider the subsequence (s2,s3,s5,s6,s8,s9,...) of the sequence of partial
sums. Show that this is the sequence of partial sums of a related convergent
series.

ii. Show that the original series is also convergent.

I have tried and showed part ii successfully, by considering
\frac{1}{2}-\frac{2}{3}+\frac{1}{5}-\frac{2}{6}+\frac{1}{8}-\frac{2}{9}+\frac{1}{11}-\frac{2}{12}+...
=(\frac{1}{2}+\frac{1}{5}+\frac{1}{8}+\frac{1}{11}+...)-(\frac{2}{3}+\frac{2}{6}+\frac{2}{9}+\frac{2}{12}+...)
=\sum\limits_{k=1}^\infty \frac{1}{3k-1}-\sum\limits_{k=1}^\infty \frac{2}{3k}

and considering
1+\frac{1}{4}+\frac{1}{7}+\frac{1}{10}+...
=\sum\limits_{k=1}^\infty \frac{1}{3k-2}So the sequence =\sum\limits_{k=1}^\infty \frac{9k-4}{3k(3k-2)(3k-1))}
is convergent by comparison test
However I am wondering what part (i) is asking. I think (s2,s3,s5,s6,s8,s9,...) is divergent. How can I relate to a convergent series?
 
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ianwood said:
Using the steps below, show that the following sequence converges:
1+\frac{1}{2}-\frac{2}{3}+\frac{1}{4}+\frac{1}{5}-\frac{2}{6}+\frac{1}{7}+\frac{1}{8}-\frac{2}{9}+\frac{1}{10}+\frac{1}{11}-\frac{2}{12}++-++-...

i. Consider the subsequence (s2,s3,s5,s6.s8.s9,...) of the sequence of partial
sums. Show that this is the sequence of partial sums of a related convergent
series.

ii. Show that the original series is also convergent.

I have tried and showed part ii successfully, by considering
\frac{1}{2}-\frac{2}{3}+\frac{1}{5}-\frac{2}{6}+\frac{1}{8}-\frac{2}{9}+\frac{1}{11}-\frac{2}{12}+...
=(\frac{1}{2}+\frac{1}{5}+\frac{1}{8}+\frac{1}{11}+...)-(\frac{2}{3}+\frac{2}{6}+\frac{2}{9}+\frac{2}{12}+...)
=\sum\limits_{k=1}^\infty \frac{1}{3k-1}-\sum\limits_{k=1}^\infty \frac{2}{3k}

and considering
1+\frac{1}{4}+\frac{1}{7}+\frac{1}{10}+...
=\sum\limits_{k=1}^\infty \frac{1}{3k-2}So the sequence =\sum\limits_{k=1}^\infty \frac{9k-4}{3k(3k-2)(3k-1))}
is convergent by comparison test
However I am wondering what part (i) is asking. I think (s2,s3,s5,s6.s8.s9,...) is divergent. How can I relate to a convergent series?


You can't regroup into three divergent series and then resum them to get a convergent series. The series isn't absolutely convergent and that doesn't have anything to do with the partial sums. Group the series into sums of three consecutive terms, then you can make some argument about the limit of the partial sums.
 
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Dick said:
You can't regroup into three divergent series and then resum them to get a convergent series. The series isn't absolutely convergent and that doesn't have anything to do with the partial sums. Group the series into sums of three consecutive terms, then you can make some argument about the limit of the partial sums.

Thanks for your reply!
Is this something I am looking for?

(i) Considering s3,s6,s9,...

<br /> s_{3k} = 1+\frac{1}{2}-\frac{2}{3}+\frac{1}{4}+\frac{1}{5}-\frac{2}{6}+\frac{1}{7}+\frac{1}{8}-\frac{2}{9}+\frac{1}{10}+\frac{1}{11}-\frac{2}{12}+...+\frac{1}{3k-2}+\frac{1}{3k-1}-\frac{2}{3k}
<br /> =\sum\limits_{k=1}^\infty (\frac{1}{3k-2} + \frac{1}{3k-1} - \frac{2}{3k})
<br /> = \sum\limits_{k=1}^\infty \frac{9k-4}{3k(3k-2)(3k-1))}<br />

and I can prove convergence by comparison test.

Similarly, considering s2,s5,s8,...
<br /> s_{3k+2} = 1+\frac{1}{2}-\frac{2}{3}+\frac{1}{4}+\frac{1}{5}-\frac{2}{6}+\frac{1}{7}+\frac{1}{8}-\frac{2}{9}+\frac{1}{10}+\frac{1}{11}-\frac{2}{12}+...-\frac{2}{3k}+\frac{1}{3k+1}+\frac{1}{3k+2}

<br /> =1+\frac{1}{2}-\sum\limits_{k=1}^\infty (\frac{2}{3k} + \frac{1}{3k+1} +\frac{1}{3k+2})
<br /> = \frac{3}{2}-\sum\limits_{k=1}^\infty \frac{9k+4}{3k(3k+1)(3k+2))}<br />

and I can prove convergence by comparison test.
 
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ianwood said:
I think (s2,s3,s5,s6,s8,s9,...) is divergent.
You may be misinterpreting that notation. sn here is the sum of the first n terms of the original sequence. That does produce a convergent sequence.
 
ianwood said:
Thanks for your reply!
Is this something I am looking for?

(i) Considering s3,s6,s9,...

<br /> s_{3k} = 1+\frac{1}{2}-\frac{2}{3}+\frac{1}{4}+\frac{1}{5}-\frac{2}{6}+\frac{1}{7}+\frac{1}{8}-\frac{2}{9}+\frac{1}{10}+\frac{1}{11}-\frac{2}{12}+...+\frac{1}{3k-2}+\frac{1}{3k-1}-\frac{2}{3k}
<br /> =\sum\limits_{k=1}^\infty (\frac{1}{3k-2} + \frac{1}{3k-1} - \frac{2}{3k})
<br /> = \sum\limits_{k=1}^\infty \frac{9k-4}{3k(3k-2)(3k-1))}<br />

and I can prove convergence by comparison test.

Yes, the sequence {s3,s6,s9,...} must converge to some limit L by your comparison test. Now all you need to say is that the limit of {s1,s4,s7,...} and {s2,s5,s8,...} must converge to the same limit. The difference between ##s_{3n}## and ##s_{3n-1}## and ##s_{3n-2}## becomes vanishing small as n->infinity, doesn't it?
 

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