Show that the wheel has constant retardation using calculus

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating that a flywheel experiences constant retardation using calculus. The original poster has identified initial and subsequent angular velocities and is attempting to relate these to the concept of retardation through calculus-based methods.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to analyze angular velocity and its changes over time, initially using a non-calculus approach. Some participants question the definitions and terms used, particularly regarding 'retardation' and the notation for angular position.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing clarifications on terminology and the physical meaning of retardation. The original poster is seeking further understanding of how to articulate the constancy of angular acceleration derived from their calculations.

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There is some ambiguity in the definitions used, particularly regarding the term 'retardation' and the notation initially employed by the original poster. The discussion reflects a mix of interpretations and attempts to clarify these concepts.

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Homework Statement



I am required to use calculus to show that a flywheel has constant retardation

Prior to this I have found the initial angular velocity which is 60rad/s and the angular velocity after 2s which is 58.667rad/s

Homework Equations



pi=60t-(t^2)/3

dpi/dt = 60 - 2t/3

The Attempt at a Solution



I didn't use calculus at the time because i found it easier to do this owever didn't get an accurate answer:

If t = 4s then:

dpi/dt = 60-2(4)/3
= 57.333rad/s

If t = 6s then:

dpi/dt = 60-2(6)/3
= 56rad/s

At this point i discovered a pattern so immediatly doubled the 6s to 12s to see if i got another even answer, thefore if t = 12s then:

dpi/dt = 60(12)/3
= 52rad/s

if t = 18s then:

dpi/dt = 60 - 2(18)/3
= 48 rad/s

So i know every 6s the flywheel retards by 4rad/s

However this isn't the correct approach and isn't using calculus and I am having trouble trying to understand my notes when i did do this months ago.

Please help me out, it's simple stuff but I just can't for the life of me remember how to do this.

Thanks in advance.
 
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I'm guessing 'pi' means the angular position of some arbitrary point on the flywheel. And so dpi/dt is the angular speed of the flywheel.

The problem is not too difficult. The main thing is to define what is meant by the 'retardation of the flywheel'. Think of some physical concepts which the retardation might correspond to. To be honest, the 'retardation of the flywheel' could mean one of several things, so the question is not worded very well. But from the wording of the question, you can probably guess what the 'retardation of the flywheel' is supposed to mean, physically.
 
It would help a lot if you defined your terms better- Bruce W assumes that is your angle (measured from where?)- pi is not a good choice. And you don't say what "retardation" means. I think you mean that the bottom of the wheel is moving backwards relative to the axle but that is obviously true.
 
Figured it out guys.

I wasn't using the calculus

Retardation is basically decceleration - therefore it's acceleration so the value would be negative.

Sorry not pi, sigma - that's my mistake appolagees

Basically Angular Acceleration (alpha) = d2sigma/dt^2

Which basically means that to find the Angular Acceleration I would have to find the second derivative of the original equation I was given:

sigma = 60t - (t^2)/3

which gives me -2/3

So I have my answer but how do I explain that from my workings out that I understand that the wheel has a constant retardation?

Or in other words, the angular acceleration is -2/3 m/s^2 - how do I show that this is going to be constant over time?

Do I need to look at velocity?

Thanks for your responces.
 
MathsRetard09 said:
Figured it out guys.

I wasn't using the calculus

Retardation is basically decceleration - therefore it's acceleration so the value would be negative.

Sorry not pi, sigma - that's my mistake appolagees

Basically Angular Acceleration (alpha) = d2sigma/dt^2

Which basically means that to find the Angular Acceleration I would have to find the second derivative of the original equation I was given:

sigma = 60t - (t^2)/3

which gives me -2/3

So I have my answer but how do I explain that from my workings out that I understand that the wheel has a constant retardation?

Or in other words, the angular acceleration is -2/3 m/s^2 - how do I show that this is going to be constant over time?

Do I need to look at velocity?

Thanks for your responces.

-\frac{2}{3} rad.s^{-2} (note the units!) is a constant because it doesn't depend on time. Expressions that are dependent on time would have a 't' somewhere in them, but this does not. So, it's a retardation because of the minus sign, and it's constant because it's independent of t. Your job is done.
 

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