Show that two vectors are a basis of a subspace

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The problem involves demonstrating that the vectors (1,-1,0) and (0,1,-1) form a basis for the subspace V defined by the equation x+y+z=0 in R3. The original poster attempts to establish linear independence and spanning properties of the vectors in relation to the subspace.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the criteria for a basis, focusing on linear independence and spanning. There are attempts to express the conditions for spanning the subspace, with some participants questioning the original poster's understanding of how to derive the necessary coefficients for the vectors.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing guidance on how to express the spanning condition. There are multiple interpretations of the equations being discussed, and some participants are seeking clarification on their understanding of the relationships between the variables.

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Participants are navigating the definitions of linear independence and spanning in the context of a specific subspace, with some uncertainty about the implications of their equations. The original poster's approach to verifying the spanning condition is under scrutiny, indicating a need for further exploration of the relationships involved.

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Question: In R3, show that (1,-1,0) and (0,1,-1) are a basis for the subspace V={(x,y,z) [tex]\in[/tex] R3: x+y+z=0}

Attempt: By def of a basis, the vectors (1) must be linearly independent and (2) must span V.

1. For LI, show that if a(1,-1,0) + b(0,1,-1) = (0,0,0), then a=b=0.
(a,-a,0)+(0,b,-b)=(0,0,0)
(a,b-a,-b)=(0,0,0)
a=0, b-a=0, -b=0
Since the zero vector can only be expressed as a combination of a=0 and b=0, the two vectors are linearly idependent.

2. I'm not really certain how to show if the two vectors span V. If I was to guess, I'd say plug in the vectors into V, so (1,-1,0)((1,1,1)t)=0 and (0,1,-1)((1,1,1)t)=0, but I could be wrong.
 
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To show they span the space you just need to show for any (x,y,z) with x+y+z=0 you can find a and b such that a(1,-1,0)+b(0,1,-1) = (x,y,z)
 
So, I show that a(1,-1,0)+b(0,1,-1)=(x,y,z) by a=x, b-a=y and -b=z. Then b=-z, a=-y-z, a=x, so x=-y-z?

Or did I misunderstand?
 
reeeky2001 said:
So, I show that a(1,-1,0)+b(0,1,-1)=(x,y,z) by a=x, b-a=y and -b=z. Then b=-z, a=-y-z, a=x, so x=-y-z?

Or did I misunderstand?

You have a bunch of correct equations, but it's hard to say whether you understand. Try to arrange it like this:

To get a(1,-1,0)+b(0,1,-1)=(x,y,z) you must have a = ... and b = ...
Then demonstrate those values of a and b do the job.
 

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