Show the loop integral of Poynting vector is zero for plane waves

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating that the loop integral of the Poynting vector for plane waves equals zero, specifically focusing on the expression \(\oint \textbf{S}\cdot d \ell = 0\). The subject area includes electromagnetism and wave theory.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss finding an explicit expression for the Poynting vector, with some questioning the inclusion of a unit vector and the relationship between the Poynting vector and the wavevector. Others express uncertainty about how to manipulate the differential in the integral.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants exploring various aspects of the problem, including the mathematical representation of the Poynting vector and its directional properties. Some guidance has been offered regarding the orientation of coordinate systems and the nature of vector equations.

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There is an indication that the problem may involve specific constraints or expectations from the instructor regarding the treatment of the Poynting vector and the integral, but these details are not fully clarified.

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Homework Statement



Show that for plane waves, the following result holds:

\oint \textbf{S}\cdot d \ell = 0.

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The Attempt at a Solution



\oint \textbf{S}\cdot d \ell = \frac{1}{\mu_{0}}\oint (\textbf{E} \times \textbf{B})\cdot d \ell

Now do I just use some vector identities and try and screw around with it? Or should I take a more intuitive approach? Either way I'm already lost...
 
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Start by finding an explicit expression for S for plane waves.
 
As such?
 

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stripes said:
As such?

Yes, except you need to include a unit vector indicating the direction of S.

[Edit: Also, S is a function of space and time, not just time.]
 
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Alright, since the Poynting vector is arbitrary, can I use any old unit vector? And then how do I turn the differential into something I can work with?
 
In class, we did some derivations as such:
 

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Alright, since the Poynting vector is arbitrary, can I use any old unit vector?
Do you know how the direction of S is related to the direction of the wavevector k?

You are dealing with vector equations, and vector equations are valid independent of orientation of the axes. Without loss of generality, you can orient your coordinate system in any way you want. So, think about a nice way to choose your axes.

However, if your instructor wants you to write it all out for arbitrary orientation of the axes, you can still do it.

And then how do I turn the differential into something I can work with?

Once you determine your direction of S, you can think about the dot product of S and dl.

Another approach is to invoke http://www.math.ufl.edu/~vatter/teaching/calcnotes/5-6-stokes.pdf
 
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