Showing a polynomial is divisible by another over Z_5

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating the divisibility of the polynomial x^7 + 3x^6 + 3x^5 - x^3 - 3x^2 - 3x by x^5 - x within the context of polynomial algebra over the field Z_5.

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  • Participants discuss polynomial long division as an approach, with some expressing uncertainty about their calculations and the resulting remainder. Others suggest alternative methods, such as comparing coefficients to establish divisibility without performing long division.

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There is an ongoing examination of the long division process, with participants questioning their steps and considering the implications of their findings. Some participants have proposed alternative strategies to verify divisibility, indicating a productive exploration of the problem.

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Participants note the potential for algebraic errors in long division and the importance of checking calculations. There is also mention of the common factor x in both polynomials, which may influence the approach to the problem.

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Homework Statement


Show that x^7 + 3x^6 + 3x^5 - x^3 - 3x^2 - 3x is divisible by x^5-x

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The Attempt at a Solution


So i did polynomial long division and as a quotient so far I have x^2+3x, and it appears that my remainder is going to be 3(x^3-x). Does this mean that I did something wrong? I'm relooking the steps of my long division very carefully and I can't find any mistake. I mean, after doing the step involving subtraction I arrive at 3(x^3-x), and obvioulsy I can't use x^5-x to divide it anymore because it's of a greater degree. Anyone have any insight?
 
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PsychonautQQ said:

Homework Statement


Show that x^7 + 3x^6 + 3x^5 - x^3 - 3x^2 - 3x is divisible by x^5-x

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


So i did polynomial long division and as a quotient so far I have x^2+3x, and it appears that my remainder is going to be 3(x^3-x). Does this mean that I did something wrong?
I think so, I have another result. Your term of smallest degree is ##3x##, but the the lowest degree of ##(x^7 + 3x^6 + 3x^5 - x^3 - 3x^2 - 3x) \, : \, (x^5-x) ## should be ##(-3x)\, : \, (-x) = 3 ## if there is no remainder.
I'm relooking the steps of my long division very carefully and I can't find any mistake. I mean, after doing the step involving subtraction I arrive at 3(x^3-x), and obvioulsy I can't use x^5-x to divide it anymore because it's of a greater degree. Anyone have any insight?
You can always check your calculations by multiplying back and see if you will get the entire and correct polynomial.
My advice is to do the division without abbreviations, i.e. for ##p(x) \, : \, q(X)##
  • highest term of ##p(x)## ##:## highest term of ##q(x) ##, say ##\rightarrow r_1(x)##
  • multiply ##r_1(x) \,\cdot\, q(x)##, say ##\rightarrow r'_1(x)##
  • multiply ##r'_1(x) \,\cdot\, q(x)## by ##(-1)##, say ##\rightarrow r''_1(x)##
  • add ##p(x)## and ##r''_1(x)##, say ##\rightarrow p_1(x)##
  • start next step, i.e. highest term of ##p_1(x)## ##:## highest term of ##q(x) ##, say ##\rightarrow r_2(x)##
  • etc.
This method is somehow safer than to directly subtract terms, which is a potential cause for sign errors.
My guess is, that you simply have forgotten one or two terms of the long ##p(x)##.
 
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Homework Statement


Show that x^7 + 3x^6 + 3x^5 - x^3 - 3x^2 - 3x is divisible by x^5-x
You certainly did something wrong during long division. And you can get the result much easier.
Both polynomials have the common factor x, so you can divide both of them by x. x^6 + 3x^5 + 3x^4
-x^2 - 3x - 3 is divisible by x^4-1.Try grouping the terms.

(x^6 + 3x^5 + 3x^4)-(x^2 + 3x + 3)=x4(x^2 + 3x + 3)-(x^2 + 3x + 3)
 
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Homework Statement


Show that x^7 + 3x^6 + 3x^5 - x^3 - 3x^2 - 3x is divisible by x^5-x

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The Attempt at a Solution


So i did polynomial long division

If it is true that x^5 - x divides x^7 + 3x^6 + 3x^5 - x^3 - 3x^2 - 3x then we must have <br /> x^7 + 3x^6 + 3x^5 - x^3 - 3x^2 - 3x = (x^5 - x)(x^2 + bx + 3) for some b which can be found by expanding the right hand side and comparing coefficients of powers of x. (The coefficients of x^2 and x^0 in the unknown factor are fixed so that x^7 = x^5x^2 and -3x = (-x)(3).)

If comparing coefficients in this way leads to incompatible conditions which b must satisfy then either our assumption of divisibility was false or we have a made an error in the algebra.

This argument for establishing divisibility is less prone to algebraic error than doing polynomial long division and checking the remainder.
 
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