Showing a Sequence Also Satisfies the Fibonacci Sequence

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The problem involves demonstrating that a sequence defined by an = Arn, where A is a constant and r satisfies the equation r² = r + 1, adheres to the Fibonacci sequence relation an = an-1 + an-2 for n > 2.

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  • Participants discuss manipulating the equation Arn = Arn-1 + Arn-2 and explore how to apply the given relationship r² = r + 1. There is uncertainty about the steps needed to prove the sequence satisfies the Fibonacci condition.

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Some participants have provided insights into manipulating exponents and dividing terms, while others express confusion about the implications of their findings. There is a recognition that showing the equivalence of certain expressions may not directly prove the desired result, leading to further questioning of the reasoning involved.

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Participants note the challenge of understanding how the derived relationships relate back to the original problem statement, indicating a need for clarity on the connections between the equations and the Fibonacci sequence.

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Homework Statement



The problem:
Let r satisfy r2= r + 1. Show that the sequence an = Arn, where A is constant, satisfies the Fibonacci sequence an = an-1 + an-2 for n > 2.

Homework Equations



The given equations above are the only relevant equations.

The Attempt at a Solution



I think have to show that Arn = Arn-1 + Arn-2, but I'm not sure how to manipulate the given equations to achieve such a thing. I can factor one side so that Arn = A(rn-1 + rn-2), and then say that rn = rn-1 + n-2, but I have no idea what to do from here.
 
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Illania said:

Homework Statement



The problem:
Let r satisfy r2= r + 1. Show that the sequence an = Arn, where A is constant, satisfies the Fibonacci sequence an = an-1 + an-2 for n > 2.

Homework Equations



The given equations above are the only relevant equations.

The Attempt at a Solution



I think have to show that Arn = Arn-1 + Arn-2, but I'm not sure how to manipulate the given equations to achieve such a thing. I can factor one side so that Arn = A(rn-1 + rn-2), and then say that rn = rn-1 + n-2, but I have no idea what to do from here.

Divide both sides by r^(n-2).
 
So, I'm guessing I can manipulate the exponents as you would normal ones, and dividing both sides by rn-2 would result in r2 = rn-1, correct?
 
Illania said:
So, I'm guessing I can manipulate the exponents as you would normal ones, and dividing both sides by rn-2 would result in r2 = rn-1, correct?

No? What are r^n/r^(n-2), r^(n-1)/r^(n-2) and r^(n-2)/r^(n-2)??
 
rn/rn-2 = rn-1/rn-2 + 1, which simplifies to r2 = r + 1.

I'm still unsure of how this can be used to prove that Arn also satisfies the Fibonacci sequence.

EDIT: Does showing that the two set equal to each other simplifies to r2 = r + 1 prove that the two are equal? If so, why is that? This question really seems to be going right over my head.
 
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Illania said:
rn/rn-2 = rn-1/rn-2 + 1, which simplifies to r2 = r + 1.

I'm still unsure of how this can be used to prove that Arn also satisfies the Fibonacci sequence.

EDIT: Does showing that the two set equal to each other simplifies to r2 = r + 1 prove that the two are equal? If so, why is that? This question really seems to be going right over my head.

It doesn't prove the two are equal. It proves that if r^2=r+1 then Ar^n=Ar^(n-1)+Ar^(n-2). All of your steps are reversible. Multiply both sides of r^2=r+1 by Ar^(n-2).
 
Thank you for the explanation! I was thinking in just one way rather than looking at the problem from multiple angles.
 

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