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The discussion revolves around a problem involving partial derivatives and Jacobians, as indicated by the original poster's reference to a question regarding the mathematical expression of partial differentiation. The participants are exploring the relationships between different variables and their derivatives.

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  • The original poster attempts to express their reasoning about the relationship between partial derivatives and Jacobians, questioning their understanding of the assumptions involved. Some participants suggest writing out the matrices for the Jacobians and exploring the implications of matrix multiplication and determinants.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing hints and guidance regarding the use of matrices and determinants. There is an ongoing exploration of the mathematical expressions involved, but no consensus has been reached on the solution.

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The original poster has noted a feeling of uncertainty regarding their understanding of the assumptions made in the mathematical tools they are using. Additionally, there is a mention of missing information, as the question image was not initially attached.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


Partial differentiation.


The Attempt at a Solution


This seems obvious to me but I don't know how to express myself mathematically. Basically, what I'd do is:

[∂(u,v)/∂(x,y)] [∂(x,y)/∂(r,s)] = [∂(u,v)/∂(r,s)] [∂(x,y)/∂(x,y)] = ∂(u,v)/∂(r,s)

as for ∂(u,v)/∂(x,y) = 1/[∂(u,v)/∂(x,y)], that's especially obvious to me! It's like saying 1/(1/2) = 1 * 2/1 = 2! Whenever I get an “It's obvious” feeling, that usually tells me that I'm not grasping the assumptions that are made when using these mathematical tools.

Any assistance in solving this problem would be greatly appreciated!

Edit: Forgot to attach the question! :P
 

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s3a said:

Homework Statement


The question is attached as Question.jpg.


Homework Equations


Partial differentiation.


The Attempt at a Solution


This seems obvious to me but I don't know how to express myself mathematically. Basically, what I'd do is:

[∂(u,v)/∂(x,y)] [∂(x,y)/∂(r,s)] = [∂(u,v)/∂(r,s)] [∂(x,y)/∂(x,y)] = ∂(u,v)/∂(r,s)

as for ∂(u,v)/∂(x,y) = 1/[∂(u,v)/∂(x,y)], that's especially obvious to me! It's like saying 1/(1/2) = 1 * 2/1 = 2! Whenever I get an “It's obvious” feeling, that usually tells me that I'm not grasping the assumptions that are made when using these mathematical tools.

Any assistance in solving this problem would be greatly appreciated!

Edit: Forgot to attach the question! :P
Remember that a Jacobian is the determinant of a matrix. Write out the matrix for [∂(u,v)/∂(x,y)] and [∂(x,y)/∂(r,s)]. What do you get if you multiply those matrices? And see if you can use the hint that |AB|=|A||B| for the determinant of a product of square matrices.
 
I attached the Jacobian stuff you asked for.

For the hint, A and B are matrices, right? What do the || mean in this case?
 

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I attached the Jacobian stuff you asked for.

For the hint, A and B are matrices, right? What do the || mean in this case?

|A| means the determinant of A. And in your last attachment, multiply the matrices themselves before calculating any determinants. I think you will find you don't have to actually evaluate any determinants to work the problem.
 
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