Showing that R and R^2 are not homeomorphic

  • Thread starter Thread starter radou
  • Start date Start date
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around proving that the real line R and the two-dimensional real space R^2 are not homeomorphic. Participants explore the properties of these spaces and the implications of homeomorphisms in topology.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the existence of a bijection between R and R^2, questioning how to construct such a mapping. They consider the implications of removing points from these spaces and the resulting topological properties.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of topological properties that R and R^2 may not share. Some participants suggest that removing a point from R leads to a disconnected space, while R^2 remains connected. The discussion is productive, with participants questioning assumptions and clarifying concepts related to homeomorphisms.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that both R and R^2 are connected and separable, but they seek to identify other distinguishing properties. The discussion includes considerations of continuity and the preservation of connectedness under homeomorphisms.

radou
Homework Helper
Messages
3,149
Reaction score
8

Homework Statement



Prove that R and R^2 are not homeomorphic.

The Attempt at a Solution



So, to prove this, one needs to conclude that there is no homeomorphism between R and R^2. A homeomorphism is a continuous bijection f with a continuous inverse. (Does there exist a bijection at all between these two sets? I assume yes, since they have the same cardinality, but I don't see how to construct it.)

Assume such mapping f exists - could we derive a contradiction here. I'm really clueless.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
You can kind of envision a direct bijection between (0,1) and (0,1)x(0,1) by given a pair of real numbers, construct a single one by alternating their digits. So the pair (.1275, .9999) becomes .19297959.

There are some issues with well-definedness at points with more than one decimal expansion (for example, .1 vs .099999).

As far as proving no homeomorphism exists, the classic method involves removing the origin from both and seeing what happens to one and not the other
 
Office_Shredder said:
As far as proving no homeomorphism exists, the classic method involves removing the origin from both and seeing what happens to one and not the other

Could you please be a bit more specific, I'm not sure I understand what you meant.

I assume I have to find some topological property which R and R^2 don't share, since if there would exist a homeomorphism between them, this property would be preserved. But I simply can't see it - both spaces are connected and separable, right? I should find some other property.
 
If you remove a point from R, what topological property does R have that R minus that point doesn't have?
 
Office_Shredder said:
If you remove a point from R, what topological property does R have that R minus that point doesn't have?

If we remove some point x from R, then R\{x} is not connected anymore, since it can be written as a union of <-∞, x> and <x, +∞>.
 
Right. Now if R is homeomorphic to R2, what can we conclude about R2?
 
Well, if R is homeomorphic to R^2, we know that R^2 is connected, too, since continuous functions (and homeomorphisms in particulas) preserve that property. If we remove some x from R now, R\{x} isn't connected anymore. I'm not sure what's the picture. Is we look at the restriction of the mapping to R\{x}, it stays continuous, right? But I only know that it maps connected sets to connected sets. Can it happen for the domain not to be connected, and the image of the map connected?
 
radou said:
Well, if R is homeomorphic to R^2, we know that R^2 is connected, too, since continuous functions (and homeomorphisms in particulas) preserve that property. If we remove some x from R now, R\{x} isn't connected anymore. I'm not sure what's the picture. Is we look at the restriction of the mapping to R\{x}, it stays continuous, right? But I only know that it maps connected sets to connected sets. Can it happen for the domain not to be connected, and the image of the map connected?

R\{x} is not connected, and our homeomorphism is still a homeomorphism. The space R\{x} is allegedly homeomorphic to is going to be R2\{f(x)}

In general a domain can be disconnected and have a connected image; for example any constant map. But this can't happen for homeomorphisms (we would hope not, otherwise homeomorphic would be a terribly weak property) and is something that can be proven fairly simply
 
Office_Shredder said:
R\{x} is not connected, and our homeomorphism is still a homeomorphism. The space R\{x} is allegedly homeomorphic to is going to be R2\{f(x)}

In general a domain can be disconnected and have a connected image; for example any constant map. But this can't happen for homeomorphisms (we would hope not, otherwise homeomorphic would be a terribly weak property) and is something that can be proven fairly simply

OK, we proved that R\{x} and R\{f(x)}^2 are not homeomorphic, but how does this imply that R and R^2 are not homeomorphic? Obviuosly both R\{x} and R\{f(x)}^2 are not connected, and our homeomorphism stays a homeomorphism from a disconnected set to a disconnected set. Should we prove that a homeomorphism doesn't in general map a disconnected set into a disconnected set? Or is it simply a game of logic - if we have the implication (which is true) "A is connected => f(A) is connected under a homeomorphism f", then its negation is false, i.e. "A is not connected => f(A) is not connected under a homeomorphism f"? (btw, I'm not really sure my logic is right here) Thanks for your patience :)
 
  • #10
Not R\{f(x)}2 (which doesn't even make sense), we're looking at R2\{f(x)}; the plane minus a point

Suppose f is a homeomorphism from R to R2. Then here are the key points:
1) f is also a homeomorphism from R\{x} to R2\{f(x)}
2) R\{x} is disconnected, R2\{x} is connected
3) A connected set cannot be homeomorphic to a disconnected set

You'll have to fill in the details for the proof
 
  • #11
Office_Shredder said:
Not R\{f(x)}2 (which doesn't even make sense), we're looking at R2\{f(x)}; the plane minus a point

Suppose f is a homeomorphism from R to R2. Then here are the key points:
1) f is also a homeomorphism from R\{x} to R2\{f(x)}
2) R\{x} is disconnected, R2\{x} is connected
3) A connected set cannot be homeomorphic to a disconnected set

You'll have to fill in the details for the proof

You meant R^2\{f(x)} is connected, right? (in 2) )

So, if f : R\{x} --> R^2\{f(x)} is a homeomorphism, then it has a continuous inverse f^-1, and since continuous function preserve connectedness, it follows that R\{x} is connected, which is a contradiction.

I hope I got it right now, thanks for your help.
 

Similar threads

Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 61 ·
3
Replies
61
Views
7K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K