Showing that there's a Cauchy sequence where Xn<X for all n?

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The problem involves demonstrating the existence of a Cauchy sequence of rational numbers that converges to a given real number x, with the condition that all terms of the sequence are less than x. The subject area pertains to real analysis, specifically the properties of Cauchy sequences and the density of rational numbers.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss starting points for constructing the sequence, with some suggesting using the density of rationals to find a convergent sequence from below x. Others question whether to assume a sequence is Cauchy or to construct one and then prove its Cauchy property.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes various approaches to constructing the sequence, with some participants providing specific methods for selecting terms of the sequence. There is acknowledgment of the relationship between convergence and the Cauchy property, though no consensus has been reached on a single method.

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Participants mention the use of decimal expansions as a potential method for constructing the sequence, indicating a focus on rational approximations of real numbers. There is also a reference to the need for clarity on assumptions regarding the properties of the sequences being discussed.

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Homework Statement


"If x is a real number, show that there exists a Cauchy sequence of rationals Xl, X2,... representing X such that X n < x for all n."

Homework Equations


- All Cauchy sequences are convergent
- All Cauchy sequences are bounded.

The Attempt at a Solution


These proofs that involve Cauchy sequences have been rough on me, and I'm trying to start working through them rather than just hunting for solutions.

But I just don't know quite where I should start. What should I be assuming or trying to show? Do I start with a series where Xn<X for all n that converges to x and show it's Cauchy? Just kinda stumped so far :/
 
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Use the density of rationals and then find a convergent sequence that converges to x from "below".
 
So should I start by assuming something is Cauchy, or by taking a sequence and then proving it to be Cauchy?
 
No, that is not what I said. :-)

Pick a rational number in (x-1,x) call it the first element.
Pick the next in (x-(1/2),x) call it the second. Keep doing this ...
Pick the nth term from (x- (1/n) ,x).

Show the above sequence is convergent and it converges to x.

Since x_n is convergent is it cauchy ?
 
If x is any real number, then it can be written in a decimal expansion. let xn be the number formed from the first n decimal places of x.


For example, if [itex]x= \pi[/itex], then x= 3.1415926... so the "Cauchy sequence of rational numbers" is 3, 3.1, 3.14, 3.141, 3.1415, 3.14159, 3.141592, 3.1515926, ...
 
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No, that is not what I said. :-)

Pick a rational number in (x-1,x) call it the first element.
Pick the next in (x-(1/2),x) call it the second. Keep doing this ...
Pick the nth term from (x- (1/n) ,x).

Show the above sequence is convergent and it converges to x.

Since x_n is convergent is it cauchy ?

Awesome, thanks! I was able to figure it out with this. Much appreciated.
 
Any real number has an expression as a decimal expansion: [itex]a.b_1b_2b_3\cdot\cdot\cdot[/itex] or, equivalently, [itex]a+ b_1/10+ b_2/100+ b_3/1000+ \cdot\cdot\cdot[/itex], where a is an integer and every b is an integer from 0 to 9.

Look at the sequence [itex]a[/itex], [itex]a.b_1[/itex], [itex]a.b_1b_2[/itex], [itex]a.b_1b_2b_3[/itex], ...

Or, equivalently, [itex]a[/itex], [itex]a+ b_1/10[/itex], [itex]a+ b_1/10+ b_2/100[/itex], [itex]a+ b_1/10+ b_2/100+ b_3/1000[/itex], ...
 

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