Sigma Notation and Product Notation

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The discussion revolves around the application of sigma and product notation in the context of limits, specifically involving the expression ln [∏(k=1)^n a^k] and the limit of a product as n approaches infinity. The subject area includes calculus and logarithmic properties.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the relationship between product notation and logarithms, questioning how to evaluate the limit of a product as n approaches infinity. Some express uncertainty about the implications of the limit and the behavior of the terms involved.

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Several participants have offered insights and hints regarding the limit, with some expressing confidence in their conclusions while others seek further clarification. There is an ongoing exploration of the notation and its implications, with no explicit consensus reached on the final outcome.

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Participants are grappling with the interpretation of the product notation and the behavior of the limit as n approaches infinity, with some confusion regarding the values of k and the resulting expressions. There is a mention of homework constraints that may affect the discussion.

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Homework Statement


Notice that ln [∏(k=1)^n a^k] = Ʃ_(k=1)^n * ln (a_k)

I couldn't get the LaTeX right on this ^ But k=1 is below the product sign, and n is above. And (a^k) is the formula.
From this, as well as some calculus, calculate that:

lim as n->∞ ∏_(k=1)^n e^\frac{k^2}{n^3}

For this ^ the limit is as n tends to infinity, and k=1 is below the product sign, and n is above the product sign.

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The Attempt at a Solution



The first equation I think is an example of the distributive property? However, I am not sure how to show that the limit would tend to infinity for the second part, without applying actual values? (When the limit becomes 1/0 is infinity?)

Thank you.
 
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Assume the limit exists and is equal to L. Then,

L = \lim_{n\to\infty} \prod_{k=1}^n e^\frac{k^2}{n^3}

\implies \ln(L) = \ln\bigl(\lim_{n\to\infty} \prod_{k=1}^n e^\frac{k^2}{n^3}\bigr)

\implies \ln(L) = \lim_{n\to\infty} \ln\bigl(\prod_{k=1}^n e^\frac{k^2}{n^3}\bigr)

Can you take it from here?
 
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I think I'm oversimplifying the problem here, but would my logic work?

The index is from k=1 to n, and n goes to infinity. so lim as n-> ∞ and k=1, so k^2= 1^2= 1, and n^3= ∞, so 1/∞= 0, and e^0= 1?

Thank you.
 
Justabeginner said:
The index is from k=1 to n, and n goes to infinity. so lim as n-> ∞ and k=1, so k^2= 1^2= 1, and n^3= ∞, so 1/∞= 0, and e^0= 1?
Thank you.
You are misunderstanding the notation ##\prod_{k=1}^{n}## It means k takes on all integer values between 1 and n inclusive. So k is not always 1, it's initial value is 1.
Once you understand this, after the above posters last step, consider the hint given to you in the question.
 
I think the limit is infinity, after considering your and QEDAndrew's hints. Is this correct? Thank you.
 
Justabeginner said:
the limit is infinity
Rather, you should say '...diverges to ##+\infty##'.

Is this correct? Thank you.
I don't think it is correct. Show your work.
 
Okay WOW. I did not find this response in the message board, and just realized that it was in my list of unsolved problems (on here). However, I think I've got it, so I really appreciate your help CAF123. I can't believe I responded so late though. I've been working on other stuff, so pardon my absence.
 

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