Sign conventions in general relativity

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The discussion revolves around the various sign conventions used in general relativity, particularly concerning the definitions of the Riemann tensor, Ricci tensor, stress-energy tensor, and the Einstein field equations. Participants seek clarity on how these conventions differ across various texts and their implications for calculations and interpretations in the field.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests a summary of sign conventions in general relativity, noting the complexity of tracking changes in the field equations across different conventions.
  • Another participant provides links to Wikipedia pages that outline sign conventions but acknowledges the difficulty in keeping track of variations.
  • A participant shares a scanned chart from a well-known text, which is suggested as a helpful resource for understanding these conventions.
  • There is a question regarding whether Christoffel symbols depend on the sign of the metric, with a follow-up inquiry about other tensors derived from them.
  • One participant explains that the Riemann tensor's definition involves Christoffel symbols and highlights how different contractions can lead to sign differences in the Ricci tensor and its relation to the Einstein tensor and stress-energy tensor.
  • Another participant notes that different definitions of the Ricci tensor can yield opposite signs, referencing the use of different conventions in various texts, including a specific mention of Weinberg's work.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the implications of sign conventions, with some acknowledging the complexity and potential for confusion. There is no consensus on a single convention or resolution of the differences discussed.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence of tensor definitions on chosen conventions, which may lead to discrepancies in results and interpretations. Specific assumptions about the definitions and their applications are not fully resolved.

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Hi guys... I was wondering if anyone have a sort of a summary of sign conventions in general relativity books. By convention I mean the definition of Riemann tensor, Ricci tensor and signs of stress-energy tensor and signs of einstein field equations for a given sign of metric tensor... I heard that there is a table that shows something like that in Misner, Thorne, Wheeler... can somebody please upload it as I don't have access to that book.

Thanks.
 
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Thanks ultrafast... I have already seen those and in fact it's because of the latter link only I posted this question... it's really hard to keep track of changes to the field equations with different conventions... I mean in one, the constant on right hand side is negative, other positive, even the form of stress-energy tensor of perfect fluid say, depends on sign convention and so forth. So I was wondering if anyone have a summary of how everything looks like with different conventions.
 
Someone had scanned in this famous chart:

http://itp.epfl.ch/webdav/site/itp/users/166340/public/Misner%28SignConvention%29.pdf

which is the origin of part of that wikipedia entry.
 
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Thanks a lot robphy. That really helps.
 
As an aside to the original question: the Christoffel symbols doesn't depend on the sign of metric, right?
What about other tensors found using them?
 
Nabigh R said:
As an aside to the original question: the Christoffel symbols doesn't depend on the sign of metric, right?
What about other tensors found using them?

For example, the Riemann tensor is defined in terms of them, but is anti-symmetric in its last two indeces and as such defining the Ricci-tensor in terms of contraction over the 1st and 3rd Vs 1st and 4th indeces yields a conventional sign difference relating the Einstein tensor to the stress-energy tensor. This is why you sometimes see a minus sign in front of the stress-energy tensor side even though its usually a plus.
 
waitedavid137 said:
For example, the Riemann tensor is defined in terms of them, but is anti-symmetric in its last two indeces and as such defining the Ricci-tensor in terms of contraction over the 1st and 3rd Vs 1st and 4th indeces yields a conventional sign difference relating the Einstein tensor to the stress-energy tensor. This is why you sometimes see a minus sign in front of the stress-energy tensor side even though its usually a plus.

Yeah David, I think even MAXIMA defines Ricci tensor in terms of contraction over 1st and 4th indices since it defines the Riemann tensor as in Weinberg (1972), but the components of Ricci tensor have opposite signs to the ones given by Weinberg.
 

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