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The discussion revolves around the application of the Sandwich Theorem in calculus, specifically regarding the limit of the cosine function as it approaches zero. The original poster expresses confusion about the transition from the limit of \(1 - \cos(\theta)\) approaching zero to the limit of \(\cos(\theta)\) approaching one.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the limits of \(1 - \cos(\theta)\) and \(\cos(\theta)\), discussing the implications of continuity and the conditions under which these limits hold. Some participants provide alternative perspectives on the reasoning behind the limits.

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The discussion is active, with participants offering various insights and counterexamples regarding the assumptions made about the limits. There is recognition of the need to establish continuity for \(\cos(\theta)\) at zero to support the claims being made.

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Participants note the importance of proving or assuming the continuity of \(\cos(\theta)\) at zero, as well as the implications of the limits existing independently. There is an acknowledgment of differing interpretations of the limit properties being discussed.

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Hoowwwwdddyyyyyy!

I am reviewing some Calculus and was going over the Sandwich Theorem. It's delicious.

An example that they give is: From the definition of cos[itex]\theta[/itex], [itex]0\le 1-\cos\theta\le |\theta|[/itex] for all theta. and we have

[tex]\lim_{\theta\rightarrow 0}(1-\cos\theta)=0[/tex] or

[tex]\lim_{\theta\rightarrow 0}\cos\theta = 1[/tex]

I am having trouble seeing the transition in the last two steps. How does

[tex]\lim_{\theta\rightarrow 0}(1-\cos\theta)=0 \Rightarrow<br /> <br /> \lim_{\theta\rightarrow 0}\cos\theta = 1[/tex] ?

Thanks! :smile:
 
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[tex] \lim_{\theta\rightarrow 0}(1-\cos\theta)= \lim_{\theta \rightarrow 0} 1 - \lim_{\theta \rightarrow 0} cos\theta[/tex] and since [tex]\lim_{\theta \rightarrow 0} (1 - cos\theta) = 0[/tex], we have [tex]\lim_{\theta \rightarrow 0} cos\theta = \lim_{\theta \rightarrow 0} 1 = 1[/tex]
 
JG89 said:
[tex] \lim_{\theta\rightarrow 0}(1-\cos\theta)= \lim_{\theta \rightarrow 0} 1 - \lim_{\theta \rightarrow 0} cos\theta[/tex] and since [tex]\lim_{\theta \rightarrow 0} (1 - cos\theta) = 0[/tex], we have [tex]\lim_{\theta \rightarrow 0} cos\theta = \lim_{\theta \rightarrow 0} 1 = 1[/tex]

Awwww man! Oldest trick in the book! Can't believe I didn't see that! Thanks JG89! :smile:
 
Here's another way to look at it:

If [tex]\lim_{\theta \rightarrow 0} (1 - cos\theta) = 0[/tex] then for all positive epsilon there exists a positive delta such that [tex]|1 - cos\theta| < \epsilon[/tex] whenever [tex]|\theta| < \delta[/tex].

Note that [tex]|1 - cos\theta| = |(1 - cos\theta) - 0| < \epsilon[/tex]. So this statement says that for theta approaching 0, [tex]1 - cos\theta[/tex] goes to 0, or since |1 - cos(theta) - 0| = |1 - cos(theta)|, that cos(theta) goes to 1.
 
If [tex]\lim_{x\rightarrow a} f(x) = L[/tex] and [tex]\lim_{x\rightarrow a} g(x) = M[/tex], then [tex]\lim_{x\rightarrow a} (f + g)(x) = L + M[/tex]. It is then a simple corollary that [tex]\lim_{x\rightarrow a} f(x) = L[/tex] if and only if [tex]\lim_{x\rightarrow a}(f(x) - L) = 0[/tex]. (The same theorem is used to prove both ways; apply it creatively).
 
JG89 said:
[tex] \lim_{\theta\rightarrow 0}(1-\cos\theta)= \lim_{\theta \rightarrow 0} 1 - \lim_{\theta \rightarrow 0} cos\theta[/tex] and since [tex]\lim_{\theta \rightarrow 0} (1 - cos\theta) = 0[/tex], we have [tex]\lim_{\theta \rightarrow 0} cos\theta = \lim_{\theta \rightarrow 0} 1 = 1[/tex]

Note that the passage from the first equation to the second is only valid in if you already know that the [tex]\lim_{x\rightarrow 0} \cos x[/tex] exists, something you would have to argue or show separately.
 
Well if the limit as x approaches 0 of 1 - cos(x) exists, something which is being assumed in the OP's question, of course the limit of cos(x) exists.
 
JG89 said:
Well if the limit as x approaches 0 of 1 - cos(x) exists, something which is being assumed in the OP's question, of course the limit of cos(x) exists.

This is not true! Consider f(x) to be -1 for x in (-oo, 0) and 1 for x in [0, oo) and let g(x) be 1 for x in (-oo, 0] and -1 for x in (0, oo). Then as x approaches 0, (f + g)(x) approaches 0 as well, but individually the limits of f and g do not even exist at 0!
To bridge the step in your theorem, you must either know or prove beforehand that cos(x) is continuous at 0 or that it at least has a limit there.
 
I stand corrected. Thanks for the counter example!
 
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Though in my defense, if for every positive epsilon there exists a positive delta such that [tex]|1 - cosx| < \epsilon[/tex] whenever [tex]|x| < \delta[/tex], then since cos(0) = 1, then we have [tex]|1 - cosx| = | cos0 - cosx| < \epsilon[/tex] if [tex]|x| < \delta[/tex], which means cos(x) is continuous at x = 0, so it must possesses a limit there.
 
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JG89 said:
Though in my defense, if for every positive epsilon there exists a positive delta such that [tex]|1 - cosx| < \epsilon[/tex] whenever [tex]|x| < \delta[/tex], then since cos(0) = 1, then we have [tex]|1 - cosx| = | cos0 - cosx| < \epsilon[/tex] if [tex]|x| < \delta[/tex], which means cos(x) is continuous at x = 0, so it must possesses a limit there.

Nice argument!
 

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