Simple Electron Configuration Question

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the electron configuration of atoms, specifically focusing on the capacity of the third energy level to hold electrons. Participants explore the conditions under which this level can accommodate 8 or 18 electrons, delving into quantum mechanics and educational simplifications.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the third energy level can hold either 8 or 18 electrons, questioning what determines this capacity.
  • Another participant explains that the number of electrons an energy level can hold is influenced by quantum mechanics, angular momentum, and the Pauli exclusion principle, citing the formula ##N_e=2n^2##.
  • A participant mentions that the 8-electron capacity may be a simplification found in GCSE and IGCSE textbooks, suggesting it is a quantum mechanical effect.
  • Another participant challenges the accuracy of the 8-electron claim, proposing that it may refer to a different context or contain a typo, asserting that the n=3 level can hold more electrons.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the capacity of the third energy level, with some supporting the 8-electron claim as a simplification and others arguing for the validity of the 18-electron capacity based on quantum mechanics. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the accuracy of the educational sources referenced.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential limitations in educational texts and the complexity of quantum mechanical principles that may not be fully addressed in simplified explanations.

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I have read from a few sources that an atom's third energy level can sometimes hold 8 electrons, and other times hold 18.

In atoms which possesses enough electrons to exceed the the third energy level, what exactly is it that determines the amount of electrons this energy level can hold?
 
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The number of electrons in an energy level (the n quantum number) can hold is determined by the relationship between energy and angular momentum, and the Pauli exclusion principle. You have to model it with quantum mechanics.

The formula is ##N_e=2n^2##

afaik: the n=3 state may have up to 18 electrons.
Do you have a reference for the 8 electron situation.
http://education.jlab.org/qa/electron_number.html
 
Thank you for your helpful response. I have read of the 8 electron situation from GCSE and IGCSE textbooks, and as this is a quantum mechanical effect it is probable that it has been simplified for all young students.
 
I suspect, then, that you will find that the GCSE/IGCSE texts are either referring to something other than the n=3 level, 8 electrons will fill up to the third subshell (=2p). or that there was a typo in the text. It is simply incorrect as you have stated it.

See, for a more complete picture:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_shell
 
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