Simple geometry problem but only using geometry

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The problem involves a geometric configuration within a square, specifically focusing on angles and symmetry. The original poster presents a scenario with given angles and dimensions, emphasizing that the solution must rely solely on geometric principles without the use of trigonometry.

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  • Participants discuss the symmetry of angles within the square and question the validity of the original poster's assertions regarding angle relationships. There is an exploration of the properties of triangles formed by the angles given, with some suggesting a contradiction approach to analyze the triangle's nature.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing hints and prompting the original poster to clarify their reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the properties of congruent triangles and the importance of symmetry in the problem setup.

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Participants note the restriction of using only geometric methods and the specific angles provided, which may influence the approach to the problem. There is an acknowledgment of potential typos in the original post that could affect the interpretation of the angles involved.

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THE PROBLEM
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given EAD = 15 degrees
ADE = 15 degrees
its a 10 by 10 square

you can only use geometry to solve this problem, NO TRIGONOMETRY. Supposedly it can be done...I've been trying!


The Attempt at a Solution




angle ABC = angle DCE by symmetry
angle EBC = angle ECB by symmetry

angle ABC + angle EBC = angle DCE + angle ECB = 90 degrees

angle AEB = 75 degrees = DEC

angle AED = 150 degrees
 
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ovoleg said:
angle ABC = angle DCE by symmetry
1] Your first line is false.

2] Can you elaborate on this 'symmetry' for me? Show why they're symmetrical?
 
ovoleg said:
angle ABC = angle DCE
1] Your first line is false.

2] Can you elaborate on this 'symmetry' for me? Show why they're symmetrical?
 
DaveC426913 said:
1] Your first line is false.

2] Can you elaborate on this 'symmetry' for me? Show why they're symmetrical?

oh I am sorry typo!

Meant to say angle ABE!

Can I try to approach this by assuming that BEC is not an equilateral triangle and try to prove it by contradiction??
 
angle AEB = Angle DEC 75 degrees

That is correct.


But you are just given a square. and those angles of 15.

Now if the base angles are both 15, what sort of triangle is that? When see what that is, you just need to remember the ways to show that triangles are congruent.
 
make it symmetric …

Hi ovoleg!

Hint: scrub out lines BE and CE.

Then make the diagram symmetric by drawing in the quadrilateral EFGH, where F G and H are defined in the same way as E. :smile:

(oh … and use a protractor to draw the diagram, so that those angles look like 15º :frown:)
 
Hello ovoleg,

Have you studied congruent triangles and theorems such as ASA, SSS, etc.?
 
Bigger hint:

What is triangle
BFE
congruent to? :smile:
 

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