Simple Harmonic Motion (Total Energy)

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The discussion revolves around the total energy in simple harmonic motion, specifically the relationship between kinetic energy (KE) and potential energy (PE) in the context of their derivations. Participants are examining the expressions for KE and PE and how they combine to yield the total energy of the system.

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  • Participants explore the derivation of total energy, questioning the validity of the expressions for KE and PE. There is confusion regarding the combination of these energies and the application of trigonometric identities.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the derivation process. Some have offered clarifications on the mathematical relationships involved, while others express confusion about the steps and the reasoning behind combining terms. There is no explicit consensus, but guidance has been shared regarding factoring and simplifying expressions.

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I have a question about the derivation that I have attached! I understand that both KE and U are 1/2 kA^2 So how is it that the two combine is also equal to 1/2kA^2Not sure if I'm missing something but I'm a little confused :(
 
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Part of the problem is that what you "understand" is not true. It is NOT the case that "both KE and U are 1/2 kA^2". What is true is that E= 1/2 kA^2 sin^2(\omega t+ \phi) and U= 1/2 kA^2 cos^2(\omega t+ \phi).

Adding those gives KE+ U= 1/2 kA^2(sin^2(\theta)+ cos^2(\theta)). Now use the fact that sin^2(\theta)+ cos^2(\theta)= 1 for all \theta!
 
So that leaves

1/2mv^2 + 1/2kA^2?
 
KiNGGeexD said:
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I have a question about the derivation that I have attached! I understand that both KE and U are 1/2 kA^2 So how is it that the two combine is also equal to 1/2kA^2Not sure if I'm missing something but I'm a little confused :(

KE = (1/2)mv2 and v= ωAcos(ωt+ø)
So ,KE = (1/2)mω2A2cos2(ωt+ø)

But ,k = mω2

Hence KE = (1/2)kA2cos2(ωt+ø) (1)

PE = (1/2)kx2 and x= Asin(ωt+ø)
So ,PE = (1/2)kA2sin2(ωt+ø) (2)

E=KE+PE

Using the fact sin2θ+cos2θ =1 ,

E=(1/2)kA2
 
But there are two terms of kA^2?

I feel like I'm missing something obvious?
 
KiNGGeexD said:
But there are two terms of kA^2?

I feel like I'm missing something obvious?

E = (1/2)kA2cos2(ωt+ø) + (1/2)kA2sin2(ωt+ø)

Take (1/2)kA2 common from both the terms ,

E = (1/2)kA2[cos2(ωt+ø) + sin2(ωt+ø)]

Hence E = (1/2)kA2
 
Ahh so you take 1/2kA^2 out as a common factor
 
Yes...just like if we have 2a+2b ,we can write it as 2(a+b) .
 
I knew it would be something trivial! That's a bunch mate!
 

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