Simple Harmonic Motion troubles.

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The discussion centers on a physics problem involving two blocks, one resting on a spring and the other free-falling, both released simultaneously. The key point is that the block on the left hits the table as the block on the right reaches instantaneous rest, prompting analysis of the spring's behavior using conservation of energy principles. Participants clarify that instantaneous rest refers to zero velocity, not zero force, and discuss the relationship between the time it takes for the free-falling block to hit the table and the oscillation period of the spring system. The equilibrium position of the spring block is where spring force equals gravitational force, and the oscillation occurs around this point. Understanding these dynamics is essential for solving the problem and determining the spring constant.
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Homework Statement


Two 100g blocks are held 80 cm above a table. As shown in the figure, one of them is just touching a 80cm-long spring. The two blocks are released at the same time. The block on the left just hits the table at exactly the same instant as the block on the right first comes to an instantaneous rest.


Homework Equations



Conservation of energy!
mgh = 0.5kx^2



The Attempt at a Solution



So for the spring system, we know that net Fy = 0, therefore -kx = mg therefore x = mg/-k. I plugged that x value back into the "0.5kx^2" side to eliminate the x variable and just have a single isolated k. From there on I was able to isolate appropriately to find a potential value for k.

Is my logic correct? It seems a bit bizarre that we don't deal with the other non-spring system.
 
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EtherMD said:
1. The problem statement, ... The block on the left just hits the table at exactly the same instant as the block on the right first comes to an instantaneous rest.


The Attempt at a Solution



So for the spring system, we know that net Fy = 0,


Instantaneous rest means zero velocity, not zero force.

ehild
 
Perhaps can I find the time it takes the springless mass to hit the table and then relate it to the period of the spring-system? The values won't be the same but it makes sense that the first time would be a fraction of the period.
Also, just a concept clarification: When it says the mass is at instaneous rest (i.e. net velocity = 0, as mentioned by ehild) does that mean the spring system is back at its original equilibrium position?

Thanks!
 
The equilibrium position of the mass on the spring would be at the height where the spring force is equal to gravity. The body will oscillate around this point, between the original position and a height where its original potential energy is converted to elastic energy. Here the body is in instantaneous rest. The distance between these extremes is twice the amplitude.
During the time period T, the body returns to its original position, with the original velocity. The time between the two extreme positions is half of the period, that is T/2. This time is the same as the time needed for the other body to fall down. If you find this time, you will know the time period of the SHM.
You know the relation between spring constant, mass and time period of a SHM.

ehild
 
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