Simple harmonic motion (with calculus)

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The discussion revolves around an object undergoing simple harmonic motion in two perpendicular directions, described by specific equations for its position over time. Participants are exploring the trajectory, speed, and maximum force acting on the object, while engaging with calculus concepts related to these topics.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the equation of the trajectory from the given position equations and expresses uncertainty in combining the results for speed and force. Some participants question the dimensional consistency of the derived force expression and suggest reviewing the calculations step by step.

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Participants have made progress on the speed calculation and are now focusing on the maximum force. There is a recognition of the need to clarify assumptions regarding the simultaneous maximum values of the cosine functions involved in the acceleration calculations. Guidance has been provided regarding the completeness of reasoning in the context of maximizing the expressions.

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There is an emphasis on the perpendicular nature of the motion, which influences the calculations of acceleration and force. Participants are also considering the implications of specific values of time in relation to the cosine functions.

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Homework Statement


An object with mass m undergoes simple harmonic motion, following 2 perpendicular directions, described by the equations:

x=a cos (wt), a>0,
y=b cos (2wt), b>0

a) find the equation of the trajectory
b) find the speed at any given time (so having t as a variable)
c) the maximum force F which acts on the object at any given time (again, having t as a variable).

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So far: a) from x=a cos (wt) we get cos (wt)=x/a; in the y equation, we can expand as follows:
cos (2wt)=cos^2 (wt) - sin^2 (wt). We also know that for any real x we have cos^2 (x) +sin^2(x)=1, therefore cos (2wt)=cos^2 (wt) - sin^2 (wt)=cos^2 (wt) + cos^2(wt)-1; therefore y=b (2cos^2 (wt) -1 )=b( x^2/a^2 -1 ), which is the equation of the trajectory.

Now for b) and c), I'm not quite sure how to use what I have. I differentiated the x and y equation from the beginning, differentiated the trajectory and somehow I need to combine them. I suppose the idea from b) applies to c).

I would be grateful if you could give me some hints :)

Have a great day,
Adrian
PS: If it is not clear, I could rewrite using latex.
 
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Solved b), only need further help at c) (got that Fmax=mw^2 (8b-4ab)/a , which doesn't seem correct to me )
 
AdrianVr said:
Solved b), only need further help at c) (got that Fmax=mw^2 (8b-4ab)/a , which doesn't seem correct to me )
8b-4ab is dimensionally inconsistent, so cannot be right. Step through your working to find where the dimensional inconsistency arises.
 
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Apparently, I forgot that since those 2 directions are perpendicular, a= sqrt ( ax^2+ay^2) , where ax is the acceleration found by differentiating vx from b) and the same for ay. Basically, I have to maximize sqrt ( a^2*w^4*cos^2 (wt) + 16*b^2*w^4*cos^2( 2wt) ), which doesn't require calculus, the maximum is obviously achieved when both cosines are =1, and therefore the maximum acceleration would be sqrt (a^2*w^4+16*b^2*w^4). I might be missing sth though, does that seem correct?
 
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Apparently, I forgot that since those 2 directions are perpendicular, a= sqrt ( ax^2+ay^2) , where ax is the acceleration found by differentiating vx from b) and the same for ay. Basically, I have to maximize sqrt ( a^2*w^4*cos^2 (wt) + 16*b^2*w^4*cos^2( 2wt) ), which doesn't require calculus, the maximum is obviously achieved when both cosines are =1, and therefore the maximum acceleration would be sqrt (a^2*w^4+16*b^2*w^4). I might be missing sth though, does that seem correct?
There is one step missing in the reasoning above, though perhaps you merely omitted to mention it: that both cosines can be 1 simultaneously.
 
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Not sure if I understand your point, by saying "the maximum is obviously achieved when both cosines are =1" I meant to say that the maximum occurs when both cosines are equal to 1 (when t=2k pi, k integer). Is this correct, sir?
 
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when t=2k pi, k integer
Yes, that's the part you needed to add for completeness. E.g. if the expression had been ##\cos(\omega t)+\cos(\omega t+\cos(t))## it might not be possible for that ever to equal 2.
 
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I see your point, thank you for taking your time to help me, haruspex. Wish you an amazing day!
 

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