Simple identity for antisymmetric tensor

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The discussion revolves around the identity involving antisymmetric tensors, specifically whether the expression \(\nabla_\mu \nabla_\nu F^{\mu\nu}=0\) holds true for all antisymmetric tensors \(F^{\mu\nu}\). The scope includes theoretical considerations related to differential geometry and tensor calculus.

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  • Some participants propose that the identity \(\nabla_\mu \nabla_\nu F^{\mu\nu}=0\) is true because \(\nabla_\mu \nabla_\rho\) is symmetric in \(\mu\) and \(\rho\), which would annihilate any antisymmetric component.
  • Others argue that the validity of the identity depends on the definition of \(\nabla_\mu\) and that for a general affine connection, the result may yield terms involving the Ricci tensor, which could be non-zero depending on the connection's properties.
  • A later reply mentions that the antisymmetric part of \(\nabla_\mu \nabla_\rho\) is related to the curvature tensor, indicating that the identity may not hold in all cases.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the identity's validity, with some asserting it holds under certain conditions while others highlight that it may not be universally applicable depending on the connection used.

Contextual Notes

There is an assumption that the connection is torsion-free, but this may not apply universally. The discussion also notes that the identity's validity could vary with different conventions regarding the Ricci tensor.

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Is it true that for all antisymmetric tensors F^{\mu\nu}
the following identity is true:
\nabla_\mu \nabla_\nu F^{\mu\nu}=0
(I've checked it but I'm not absolutely sure).
 
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hi paweld! :smile:
paweld said:
Is it true that for all antisymmetric tensors F^{\mu\nu}
the following identity is true:
\nabla_\mu \nabla_\nu F^{\mu\nu}=0
(I've checked it but I'm not absolutely sure).

yup, because ∇µρ is symmetric in µ and ρ, so it zeroes anything antisymmetric in µ and ρ :wink:
 
That depends on how you define \nabla_\mu. For a general affine connection you get, more or less, \pm R_{\mu\nu}F^{\mu\nu} (plus or minus depending on which convention is being used in the definition of the Ricci tensor). When there is no torsion, Ricci tensor is symmetric and you get zero. But not so for a general connection.
 
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Thanks, I always assume that connection is torsion-free.
 
BTW:

∇µ∇ρ is not symmetric in µ and ρ. Its antisymmetric part is related to the curvature tensor.

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The above holds for u,v commuting vector fields like \partial_\mu,\, \partial_\nu
 
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