Simple Integral, Still Having Trouble

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The original poster is attempting to evaluate the integral of 1/((-4t²+4t+3)¹/²) and is struggling with the completion of the square in the denominator, specifically how it relates to the expression (4-(2t-1)²)¹/².

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the process of completing the square and question the equivalence of different expressions. Some suggest expanding and rearranging terms, while others express confusion about the steps involved in the transformation.

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Some participants have provided guidance on completing the square and have noted the equivalence of the expressions. However, there remains uncertainty about the method of rearranging the terms for integration purposes, with no explicit consensus reached on a clear approach.

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There is mention of the need for foundational knowledge in completing squares before tackling calculus problems, indicating a potential gap in the original poster's background understanding.

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I am trying to take the integral of 1/((-4t2+4t+3)1/2)

I know that i need to complete the square and it should come out to an inverse sin function but i don't understand how the completed square in the denominator is equal to (4-(2t-1)2)1/2

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just expand the square and you see they are equal
 
But how do you come to that? I understand its equal, i just don't know how they calculated it, am I missing something completely obvious or...?
 
have you studied how to complete square ? if you have a quadratic equation

[tex]ax^2+bx+c = 0[/tex] then you add and subtract middle term square divided by

4 times the first term

[tex]ax^2+bx+c+\frac{b^2x^2}{4ax^2}-\frac{b^2x^2}{4ax^2}+c=0[/tex]

[tex]a(x^2+\frac{b}{a}x+\frac{b^2}{4a^2})=\frac{b^2}{4a}-c[/tex]

[tex]a(x+\frac{b}{2a})^2=\frac{b^2}{4a}-c[/tex]

so use this procedure. in your case there is just a quadratic term, no equation. but
this approach can still be used
 
Yeah, I have, and for some reason this problem completely stumps me, If you use those formulas , you end up with 4(t+1/2)^2 = -2

I don't see how that is equivalent to 4-(2t-1)^2
 
[tex]-4t^2+4t+3[/tex]

[tex]-4t^2+4t +\frac{(4t)^2}{4(-4t^2)}-\frac{(4t)^2}{4(-4t^2)}+3[/tex]

[tex]-4t^2+4t-1+1+3[/tex]

[tex]-(4t^2-4t+1)+4[/tex]

[tex]4-(4t^2-4t+1)[/tex]

[tex]4-(2t-1)^2[/tex]

[tex]\smile[/tex]
 
Ok, never mind i see that they are equivalent but how do you know to rearrange them in that manner to take the integral? is there any sort of method or is it just through practice
 
oooook..Im sorry I've been so troublesome, thank you so much!
 
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mta, i think you should REALLY know how to complete squares BEFORE you take on calculus. have you had pre-calculus ?
 

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