Simple Integral: Solving $\frac{dy}{dx}=\sqrt[3]{\frac{y}{x}}$ for All x

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The discussion revolves around solving the differential equation $$\frac{dy}{dx}=\sqrt[3]{\frac{y}{x}}$$ with the condition that $$x>0$$. Participants are exploring the implications of this condition and the integration process involved in finding a solution.

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  • Participants discuss various integration attempts and the resulting expressions for $$y$$. There is questioning about the necessity of the condition $$x>0$$ and its implications on the validity of the solutions, particularly concerning behavior near $$x=0$$.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing different integration approaches and raising questions about the relationships between $$x$$ and $$y$$. Some participants are seeking clarification on the implications of the condition $$x>0$$ and how it affects the solutions derived from the integration.

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There are mentions of potential difficulties at $$x=0$$ and how this might relate to the original problem statement. Participants are also noting possible typos and inconsistencies in the expressions being discussed.

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1. Homework Statement
$$\frac{dy}{dx}=\sqrt[3]{\frac{y}{x}},~x>0$$
Why do i need the x>0, indeed my result is good for all x since it contains x2
2. Homework Equations
$$\frac{dy}{dx}=f(x)~\rightarrow~dy=f(x)dx~\rightarrow~y=\int f(x)dx$$

3. The Attempt at a Solution
$$\int \frac{dy}{y^{1/3}} = \int \frac{dy}{x^{1/3}} \rightarrow y^{-1/3}=x^{-1/3}+C$$
$$\frac {1}{\sqrt[3]{y^2}}=\frac {1}{\sqrt[3]{x^2}}+C$$
$$\sqrt[3]{y^2}=\frac{\sqrt[3]{x^2}}{1+C\sqrt[3]{x^2}}$$
$$y=\frac{x^2}{(1+C\sqrt[3]{x^2})^2}$$
 
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Have another go at integrating ##x^{-\frac 13}##.
(There are also several typos.)
 
$$\int \frac{dy}{y^{1/3}} = \int \frac{dy}{x^{1/3}} \rightarrow \int y^{-1/3}=\int x^{-1/3}+C$$
$$\int y^{-1/3}=\frac{1}{\left( -\frac{1}{3} \right)+1}y^{\left( -\frac{1}{3} \right)}=\frac{3}{2}y^{2/3}$$
 
Karol said:
$$\int \frac{dy}{y^{1/3}} = \int \frac{dy}{x^{1/3}} \rightarrow \int y^{-1/3}=\int x^{-1/3}+C$$
$$\int y^{-1/3}=\frac{1}{\left( -\frac{1}{3} \right)+1}y^{\left( -\frac{1}{3} \right)}=\frac{3}{2}y^{2/3}$$
Right, so what relationship do you get between x and y now?
 
$$y=(\sqrt[3]{x^2}+C)^3=...=x^3+3Cx\sqrt[3]{x}+3C^2\sqrt[3]{x^2}+C^3$$
Besides being so complicated, and i don't know if it's true, what's the connection to x>0?
 
Karol said:
$$y=(\sqrt[3]{x^2}+C)^3=...=x^3+3Cx\sqrt[3]{x}+3C^2\sqrt[3]{x^2}+C^3$$
Besides being so complicated, and i don't know if it's true, what's the connection to x>0?
I think you mean y2=x2 + etc., and you have two terms on the right with x2/3.
Looking at the original problem statement, there is clearly a difficulty at x=0. This means that the solution might be invalid if the integral is across a range including 0. I think they just specified x> 0 to avoid your having to worry about such issues.
 
Which 2 terms on the right are with x2/3?
$$(a+b)^3=\left( \begin{array}{m} 3 \\ 0 \end{array} \right)a^3+\left( \begin{array}{m} 3 \\ 1 \end{array} \right)a^2 b+\left( \begin{array}{m} 3 \\ 2 \end{array} \right)ab^2+\left( \begin{array}{m} 3 \\ 3 \end{array} \right)b^3$$
There is only one term with a.
Which difficulty is at x=0? is it because of ##~\int \frac{dy}{x^{1/3}}##? do i ignore ##~\int \frac{dy}{y^{1/3}}##? how do i treat it, since y≠0 too
 
Karol said:
Which 2 terms on the right are with x2/3?
My mistake.
Karol said:
Which difficulty is at x=0?
In the differential equation there is y/x.
 
Thank you very much Haruspex
 

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