Simple Pendulum amplitude problem

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The discussion revolves around a simple pendulum problem involving calculations related to angular velocity, displacement, angular acceleration, and the length of the pendulum. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the steps required for each calculation after being introduced to the concepts of circular motion and pendulum motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculations for angular velocity and displacement, with some questioning the correctness of the original poster's results. There are mentions of potential errors in the calculations and the importance of using radians in trigonometric functions.

Discussion Status

Several participants have provided feedback on the calculations, particularly regarding the length of the pendulum and the use of radians. There is a recognition of calculation errors, and some participants have offered corrections and alternative values, but no consensus has been reached on the final answers.

Contextual Notes

The original poster has indicated a lack of confidence in their calculations and has requested additional practice problems. There is an acknowledgment of potential typos and misunderstandings regarding the use of mathematical operations in calculations.

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Homework Statement


A pendulum with a swing amplitude of 150 cm is recorded to have a period of 2.1s. Calculate after 0.3s release from the furthest amplitude position.

a) Angular velocity
b) displacement
c) Angular acceleration
d) Length of the pendulum


I've only had one lecture on circular motion and the motion of pendulums, so I'm a bit unsure of the correct steps for each calculation.


Homework Equations


[tex]\omega = \frac{2\pi}{T}[/tex]

[tex]x = A cos (\omega t)[/tex]

[tex]a = -\omega^{2}x[/tex]

[tex]T = 2\pi\sqrt{\frac{l}{g}}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



a)
[tex]\omega = \frac{2\pi}{2.1} = 2.99 rad s^{-1}[/tex]

b)
[tex]x = 1.5 cos (2.99 x 0.3) = 1.5 m[/tex]

c)
[tex]a = -(2.99)^{2} x 1.5 = -13.41[/tex]

d)
[tex]l = \frac{T^{2}g}{2\pi^{2}} = 106.74 m[/tex]


I'm not convinced that I'm getting b) right, as it seems odd for the displacement after 0.3 seconds to be the same as the amplitude. This makes me believe that I'm wrong in other places.

See what's wrong? [I don't have the answers to check for myself]

Any similar problems to practice on would be welcomed; I don't want to constantly feel that I'm missing something.
 
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one problem I see is that in part d) you should be dividing by 4, not 2
 
srmeier said:
one problem I see is that in part d) you should be dividing by 4, not 2

also, I do not get the same answer as you do for part b). Make sure your calculator is in radiant, not degrees.

(I am assuming the extra x in the cosine function was a typo)
 
Oh yes, I think I made a typo when I typed the post; it's 4 PI in my notes. Regardless of that I made a calculation error on that part...

I now have L = 1.1m for d).

Thanks.
 
SeanGillespie said:
Oh yes, I think I made a typo when I typed the post; it's 4 PI in my notes. Regardless of that I made a calculation error on that part...

I now have L = 1.1m for d).

Thanks.

also, check to see if your calculator is in radians. For part B)
 
Ah... thank you.

Neglected to think that I was working with radians.

b) 0.9 m
c) -8.05

I assume that I've got the right set of answers for the question now.
 
yes, your physics appears flawless.
 
I think d) is 1.1m.

I was getting 106.74 by forgetting to bracket the 4pi^2; it was dividing by 4 and then multiplying by pi^2. Don't know why, I thought that calculators multiplied before dividing.
 
SeanGillespie said:
I think d) is 1.1m.

I was getting 106.74 by forgetting to bracket the 4pi^2; it was dividing by 4 and then multiplying by pi^2. Don't know why, I thought that calculators multiplied before dividing.

details my friend, details :smile:

The physics is the important part.
 
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Thank you for your help; now I can move on and get stuck on something else. Midterm tests next week... :(
 
  • #11
SeanGillespie said:
Thank you for your help; now I can move on and get stuck on something else. Midterm tests next week... :(

Good luck my friend! may the [tex]ma[/tex] be with you :cool:
 

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