Simple Pendulum Motion & Time Period Formula with SHM Approximation

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The discussion revolves around the motion of a simple pendulum and the conditions under which the approximation of simple harmonic motion (SHM) is valid. Participants are exploring the relationship between amplitude and the accuracy of the time period formula for a pendulum, particularly focusing on how small the amplitude should be for the approximation to hold true.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to derive the general expression for the time period of a simple pendulum and are questioning the conditions under which the approximation \(\sin\theta \approx \theta\) is valid. There are discussions about using Taylor series to analyze the accuracy of this approximation and the implications of different amplitude values on the time period.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with some participants providing equations for the time period and discussing the implications of amplitude on the approximation. There is a recognition of the need to clarify how small the amplitude must be for the approximation to be considered valid, but no consensus has been reached on a specific value or method to determine it.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working within the constraints of a homework assignment, which specifies the need to analyze the approximation of SHM in relation to amplitude. There is a focus on deriving expressions and understanding the underlying assumptions without providing direct solutions.

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Homework Statement



The motion of a simple pendulum is only approximately simple harmonic. How small should the amplitude should be for the approximation to hold good?. Obtain the general expression for the time period of a simple pendulum. How much does the actual time period differ from the approximate time period when the amplitude is 15 degree?

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On obtaining the period of oscillation using SHM, we approximate sin(a)=a in radians. I was thinking of keeping it as sin(a). Any help with the first question? The amplitude one.
 
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The approximation [itex]\sin\theta\approx\theta[/itex] is derived via Taylor series expansion. To determine how accurate it is, you need to look at the Taylor series remainder.
 
[tex]\ T=2pi \sqrt{L/g}(1\theta^2/16+11\theta^4/3072+173\theta^6/737280+22931\theta^8/1321205760+...)[/tex]

That was the equation I got for time period. But I can't approximate the smallest value of amplitude.
 
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shadowrunner said:
[tex]\ T=2pi \sqrt{L/g}(1\theta^2/16+11\theta^4/3072+173\theta^6/737280+22931\theta^8/1321205760+...)[/tex]

Surely you mean

[tex]T=2\pi\sqrt{\frac{L}{g}}\left(1+\frac{1}{16}\theta_0^2+\frac{11}{3072}\theta_0^4+\frac{173}{737280}\theta_0^6+\ldots\right)[/tex]

where [itex]\theta_0[/itex] is the initial amplitude (angular displacement) of the pendulum...right?

That was the equation I got for time period. But I can't approximate the smallest value of amplitude.

Read the question again. You aren't asked to approximate the smallest value of amplitude.
 
"How small should the amplitude should be for the approximation to hold good?"
It is given in the question. I don't know how to do it.
 
The approximation they are referring to is

[tex]T=2\pi\sqrt{\frac{L}{g}}\left(1+\frac{1}{16}\theta _0^2+\frac{11}{3072}\theta_0^4+\frac{173}{737280}\theta_0^6+\ldots\right)\approx2\pi\sqrt{\frac{L}{g}}[/tex]

...how large can you make [itex]\theta_0[/itex] before this is no longer a good approximation?
 

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