Simple Pendulum Project: Amplitude's Effect on Period | Math Help Included

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a project focused on the simple pendulum, specifically examining how changes in amplitude affect the period of oscillation. Participants explore mathematical relationships and experimental approaches related to this topic.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks assistance in understanding the relationship between amplitude and period, expressing uncertainty about how to demonstrate this mathematically.
  • Another participant suggests researching "simple pendulum" for additional information and offers to help with specific challenges.
  • A participant proposes using the equation T=sqrt(mgh/I) but expresses concern that this may only validate their data without deeper insights.
  • There is a suggestion to investigate when the low-amplitude approximation begins to fail, highlighting the limitations of the equation for larger angles.
  • Concerns are raised about the accuracy of measurements, particularly when using a stopwatch and the difficulty in measuring small angles accurately.
  • A participant introduces the concept of energy loss due to air resistance and discusses the implications of ignoring energy loss in theoretical models.
  • Another participant proposes an experimental setup to measure energy in relation to amplitude, suggesting that energy is directly proportional to the square of the amplitude.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of ideas and concerns, with no consensus reached on the best approach to the project or the implications of amplitude on period. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations related to measurement accuracy and the applicability of theoretical models at larger amplitudes. There is also mention of the challenges posed by real-world factors like air resistance.

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nee help with project dealing with simple pendulum.I am supposed to be looking at the effect of changing the amplitude and how it affects the period. The requirements want to show some math( it does not include finding average and error). Need help. what could I show there. Like the time to complete the period will be alway same. HELP
 
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Try googling for "simple pendulum", see what you find. We can help through any parts where you're having trouble.
 
Nugatory said:
Try googling for "simple pendulum", see what you find. We can help through any parts where you're having trouble.
I was thinking of using the T=sqrt(mgh/I), but my concern is that I would just be proving my data and nothing more
 
asadpasat said:
I was thinking of using the T=sqrt(mgh/I), but my concern is that I would just be proving my data and nothing more
Well, if you're looking for something more challenging, you could try investigating when the low-amplitude approximation starts to break down.
 
Nugatory said:
Well, if you're looking for something more challenging, you could try investigating when the low-amplitude approximation starts to break down.
I was thinking about that but it would be pretty hard to do as my pendulum is not that accurate. What I mean is that the equation T=sqrt(mgh/I) has less that 1 precent error for angles less that 22, which would be really hard hard to measure for me.
Also, i do not have such a accurate time measurment device( i am using stopwatch)
 
When they said that
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It was when you ignore loss of Energy,
In Real life you have Air resistance dude to which you lose Energy,
But if you don't have that Loss, The Pendulum will continue forever... Because of First Law of Motion

Anyways I got an Idea for you
You should do an experiment where you see how much energy , Here is how its mentioned in our textbook
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The total energy of the bob of a simple pendulum executing simple harmonic motion, :
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OR ANOTHER WAY HERE :
Setup :
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You also need a stopwatch
Procedure :

Set the Pendulum to oscillate with suitable amplitude, and simultaneously start the stopwatch (make sure to get one)
Note down the Amplitude after every one minute

Observation Table :

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Why A2 -> Because if you plot a Graph of A2 vs T, You'll get it

Theory : The Energy of a Particle performing SHM is given as :
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Which means E is Directly proportional to A square

Hope It helped ,
Regards
 

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