Simple Proof That Division By Zero Is Impossible

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of division by zero, specifically addressing the impossibility of dividing by zero in various mathematical contexts. Participants explore foundational arguments, limits, and the implications of different number systems.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a basic proof that division by zero is unsolvable, asserting that if 1/0 = x, then x * 0 must equal 1, which contradicts the property that 0 does not equal 1.
  • Another participant introduces the limit of sin(x)/x as x approaches 0, suggesting it as a relevant mathematical concept.
  • A subsequent reply corrects the notation of the limit and comments on the flexibility of mathematical constructs.
  • One participant reiterates the initial proof against division by zero and questions the assumptions made regarding the definitions of division and zero in different number systems.
  • Another participant agrees with the proof regarding the lack of an inverse for zero but notes that the limit mentioned is not directly related to the topic of division by zero.
  • Several participants ponder the status of 0/0, questioning whether it equals 1 or is undefined, with one noting that in most number systems, 0/0 is considered undefined.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of division by zero and the status of 0/0, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a consensus on these issues.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights assumptions about the properties of division and zero in various number systems, with some participants suggesting that these properties may not hold universally.

Poolala
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x / y = z, so z * y = x
1 / 0 = x, so x * 0 = 1
But 0 does not equal 1, so x / 0 is unsolvable.
Oh, and I'm new to forums so if this shouldn't be here you can delete it.
 
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Perhaps you want to look at:

[itex]\underbrace{lim}_{i->0} \frac{Sin(x)}{x} = 1[/itex]
 
You mean:
$$\lim_{x\rightarrow 0}\frac{\sin(x)}{x}=1$$

... mathematicians can set up numbers to do all kinds of things.
 
Poolala said:
x / y = z, so z * y = x
1 / 0 = x, so x * 0 = 1
But 0 does not equal 1, so x / 0 is unsolvable.
Oh, and I'm new to forums so if this shouldn't be here you can delete it.

This argument makes the assumption that, whenever x/y is defined, the equation y(x/y) = x holds. It also makes the assumption that x0 is always defined, and it is 0.

Both of these assumptions are, indeed, true for the real number system, and the complex number system. But other important number systems do not have these properties.
RamaWolf is talking about something different (although some people have trouble distinguishing the two).
 
Poolala said:
x / y = z, so z * y = x
1 / 0 = x, so x * 0 = 1
But 0 does not equal 1, so x / 0 is unsolvable.
Oh, and I'm new to forums so if this shouldn't be here you can delete it.
Yes, that's a perfectly valid proof that the number 0 (or the additive identity in any field with more than one member) does not have an inverse.

RamaWolf said:
Perhaps you want to look at:

[itex]\underbrace{lim}_{i->0} \frac{Sin(x)}{x} = 1[/itex]
True but has nothing to do with the topic here.
 
Oh, and I've been thinking: does 0 / 0 = 1, or is it undefined?
 
Poolala said:
Oh, and I've been thinking: does 0 / 0 = 1, or is it undefined?
In most number systems 0/0 is undefined. Only a few exotic number systems have defined it and that is outside my scope.
 

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