Does Acceleration Depend on Instantaneous Velocity Changes?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between acceleration and instantaneous velocity changes, focusing on whether acceleration, both average and instantaneous, depends on changes in instantaneous velocity. Participants explore the definitions and implications of these concepts within the context of physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether acceleration depends on changes in instantaneous velocity, noting that many physics books do not specify this distinction.
  • Another participant affirms that both average and instantaneous acceleration depend on the change in instantaneous velocity, explaining that average acceleration is calculated as the change in velocity over a time interval, while instantaneous acceleration is the limit of this ratio as the time interval approaches zero.
  • A later reply emphasizes that the concept of instantaneous acceleration is rooted in differential calculus, applicable to continuous and differentiable functions, but raises concerns about its validity in cases of chaotic behavior or discontinuities.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that acceleration is related to changes in instantaneous velocity, but there is some discussion about the clarity of this relationship in educational materials and the conditions under which these concepts apply.

Contextual Notes

There are assumptions about the continuity and differentiability of functions in the discussion, and the implications of chaotic behavior on the applicability of these concepts are noted but not resolved.

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This question is not really a problem but a conversation starter. I am studying physics for the fun of it and I do have a quick question. Does acceleration regardless if it is average or instantaneous depend upon the change in the instantaneous velocity? The reason I asked that is because most books that I have seen does not specify the velocity to being instantaneous (hence why I underlined it). Most books just say the change of velocity over time is the cause with no specification. I know this is nitpicky and an obvious question but it has been bothering me. Thanks for the help in advance.
 
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Hi Carbon273 and welcome to PF.

Carbon273 said:
Does acceleration regardless if it is average or instantaneous depend upon the change in the instantaneous velocity?
Yes. Average acceleration is the change in velocity (final minus initial instantaneous velocity) divided by the time interval over which this change takes place. Instantaneous acceleration is the same ratio but in the limit that the time interval becomes infinitesimally small, i.e. it is the slope of the velocity vs. time graph at some specific time.
 
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kuruman said:
Hi Carbon273 and welcome to PF.Yes. Average acceleration is the change in velocity (final minus initial instantaneous velocity) divided by the time interval over which this change takes place. Instantaneous acceleration is the same ratio but in the limit that the time interval becomes infinitesimally small, i.e. it is the slope of the velocity vs. time graph at some specific time.
That's interesting. Obviously, its an assumption the books wants you to have but clarification would help on their part. Thanks for the help.
 
kuruman said:
Instantaneous acceleration is the same ratio but in the limit that the time interval becomes infinitesimally small
This is the basis of differential calculus. It works for any relationship between variables where the function is "continuous and differentiable" within the limits you are considering. This actually means most basic ideas encountered in Physics except where the relationship 'goes to infinity' (very bad maths statement but it gives the message) or when there is a 'cusp' in the curve.
Whenever we do a set of measurements or spot calculations, we sort of assume that it's valid to draw a smooth curve through them and it's mostly ok for many Physics experiments. The magic word here is "LIMIT".
PS Phenomena involving Chaotic Behaviour cannot be treated this way because there is no continuous line relating Input and Output result.
 

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