Simple seperable Diff EQ w/ I.C., did i make an algebra error?

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The discussion revolves around solving a separable differential equation of the form (ln(y))^4 * (dy/dx) = x^4 y, with the initial condition y(1) = e^2. Participants are examining algebraic manipulations and notation issues encountered during the solution process.

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  • Participants discuss the correctness of algebraic steps and notation, particularly in relation to exponent rules and logarithmic identities. There are attempts to clarify the process of finding the constant C using the initial condition.

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The discussion includes various attempts to correct algebraic errors and clarify notation. Some participants provide constructive feedback on previous posts, while others express confusion about specific steps. There is no explicit consensus on the final solution, but guidance has been offered regarding the approach to finding the constant C.

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I'm lost on this one, i checked my problem over a few times and i don't see any algebraic errors, did i break some rule? Thanks! :smile:

Find the solution of the differential equation
(ln(y))^4*{dy}/{dx} = x^4 y
which satisfies the initial condition y(1)=e^2.
y= ?

Here is my work:
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/2868/lastscan9oj.jpg
 
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Line 4 is bad notation; line 5 is utterly wrong.
Learn the difference between + and * and when they appear.
 
Again! ea+b is NOT ea+ eb!

By the way, it is easier to find C by putting y= e2 and x= 1 in
(1/5)(ln y)5= (1/5)x5+ C, before trying to solve for y.
 
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Thanks for the tips guys, I thought I redid it right this time but no! :bugeye:
Here is what I did, i also took Ivey's advice and solved for C, and yes it was easier! thanks!
http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/674/lastscan4ux.jpg
 
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Your general solution looks ok, so we have that:

[tex]y^5 = e^{x^5 + 5c} \Leftrightarrow y = \left( {e^{x^5 + 5c} } \right)^{1/5}[/tex]

Now this is where you determine your c, I don't really understand why you used an expression of a few steps before, c = 0 isn't right.

[tex]y\left( 1 \right) = e^2 \Leftrightarrow e^2 = \left( {e^{1 + 5c} } \right)^{1/5} \Leftrightarrow 2 = \frac{{1 + 5c}}<br /> {5} \Leftrightarrow c = \frac{9}{5}[/tex]
 
In your post #4, (page(13)

3 rd line is not right.

You have used [tex]ln (y^5)[/tex]

instead of [tex](ln y)^5[/tex]

[tex](ln y)^5 = x^5 + 5C[/tex]

[tex](ln y) = (x^5 + 5C)^{1/5}[/tex]

[tex]y = exp( x^5 + 5C)^{1/5}[/tex]
 
simplifying e^(x^5)*e^(5C) may help you easier.
 
Ahhh, thank you everyone! it finally worked out. Sorry I didn't post sooner, I've been busy busy! :)
 

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