Simple Sum with positive and negative terms

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The discussion revolves around finding the sum of a series involving alternating positive and negative fractions, specifically the series 1/2 - 1/4 + 1/8 - 1/16 + ... - 1/256. Participants are exploring whether to group terms and how to approach the summation, particularly in the context of finite versus infinite sums.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the possibility of grouping positive and negative terms, the use of sigma notation, and the identification of common ratios in the series. There are attempts to express the series in terms of geometric series and to clarify whether the series is geometric or harmonic.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the structure of the series and suggesting ways to break it down into manageable parts. Some participants are questioning the nature of the series and exploring different interpretations, while others are attempting to derive formulas for partial sums.

Contextual Notes

Participants note constraints such as the prohibition of calculator use and the reliance on known formulas for geometric and arithmetic series. There is also a mention of confusion regarding the classification of the series as either geometric or harmonic.

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How can I find the sum of [tex]1/2 - 1/4 + 1/8 - 1/16 + ... - 1/256[/tex]?

Do I need to group the positive and negative terms?
 
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Do you mean the finite sum, as you wrote it, or an infinite sum (the series)?
 
Finite sum.
 
In that case: yes you could add the positive terms and substract the sum of the (absolute values) of terms with a negative sign. It would be rather annoying (bu still doable) work to put them all on the same denominator, can you use a calculator or not?
 
No calculator allowed :\

I only know sigma notation and the formula's for the partial sums of geometric and arithmetic series'.
 
Oh of course, but that's fine.

The sum as a whole can be written as:

[tex]\sum\limits_{n = 1}^8 {\frac{{\left( { - 1} \right)^{n + 1} }}{{2^n }}}[/tex]

Now, can you split it in two sums and find the general formula for both?
Or even if you can't find the sigma-notation, can you try to become two geometric series if you look at the positive terms and at the negative terms separately?
 
Oops, I had that answer but I made the mistake of thinking there was 256 terms :\

How do I figure out the common ratio if it varies from positive to negative?

I will try and split it up into two sums in the mean time...
 
Well, if you can find the common ratio by dividing a term by its precessor (is that an English word?) Anyway, if the sequence with terms t_n is geometric, than t_(n+1)/t_n = r with r constant for all n. You can check this and find r this way.
 
I get:

[tex]\sum\limits_{n = 1}^4 {\frac{1}{2 \cdot 4^{n - 1}}} - \sum\limits_{n = 1}^4 {\frac{1}{4 \cdot 4^{n - 1}}}[/tex]
 
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cscott said:
I get:

[tex]\sum\limits_{n = 1}^4 {\frac{1}{2 \cdot 4^{n - 1}}} - \sum\limits_{n = 1}^4 {\frac{1}{4 \cdot 4^{n - 1}}}[/tex]
Looks good, but have you checked whether the initial problem wasn't geometric already?
 
  • #11
TD said:
Looks good, but have you checked whether the initial problem wasn't geometric already?

r = -1/2

So,

[tex]\sum\limits_{n = 1}^8 {\left[\frac{1}{2} \cdot \left (-\frac{1}{2}\right)^{n-1}\right]}[/tex]
 
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cscott said:
r = -1/2

So,

[tex]\sum\limits_{n = 1}^8 {\left[\frac{1}{2} \cdot \left (-\frac{1}{2}\right)^{n-1}\right]}[/tex]
Looks good again :smile:
 
  • #13
TD said:
Looks good again :smile:

Thanks for your help!
 
  • #14
I have another problem:

[tex]S = 1/2 - 1/3 + 1/4 - 1/5 + ...[/tex]

Find [itex]S_{100}[/itex]

So, [tex]S_n = \frac{n}{2}(t_1 + t_n) = \frac{100}{2}\left({\frac{1}{2} - \frac{1}{101}\right)[/tex]

This gives me 24.505 when I think it should be 0.301927

Also, how can I associate the terms to show that 1 > S > 0? Does grouping positive terms and subtracting the negative terms show this?
 
  • #15
The formula you used to find the n-th partial sum is the one for arithmetic series, is that the case here? If you think so, what is the common difference then?
 
  • #16
I guess there is no common difference... but I see no common ratio either?
 
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  • #17
Correct, it's not arithmetic nor geometric...
 
  • #18
I see it's a harmonic series, so the recipricals are arithmetic. Does that help me?
 
  • #19
I'm not sure, are you supposed to determine this partial sum by some calculation again (no calculator)?
 
  • #20
Yes... never calculator :p

I only ever got a formula for the partial sum of a geometric and arithmetic series.
 

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