Simplification of Cross Product Expression

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The discussion centers on simplifying the expression (au + bv) x (cu + dv) where a, b, c, and d are scalars and u, v are vectors. Initial attempts to factor out scalars were deemed incorrect, as it would not yield the correct expanded form. Instead, participants suggest using the FOIL method for cross products, emphasizing the importance of maintaining the order of factors. The simplification leads to terms involving the cross product of u and v, with participants debating whether the final expression should be ad(u x v) + bc(v x u) or ad(u x v) - bc(u x v). The conversation concludes with a focus on correctly applying properties of the cross product to achieve the final simplified form.
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Hey,

I have the following question,

Simplify
(au + bv) x (cu + dv) where a,b,c,d are scalars and u,v are vectors.

I know that we can take ab ab and cd outside to make the expression
ab(u +v) x cd(u + v) but I am unsure on where to go from here.

Thanks in advance
 
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I don't really know how you should go about simplifying this expression yet, but I do believe your first step is wrong.

See, the way you factored it, when you expand it again the expression would be : (abu + abv) x (cdu + cdv)
 
You can't take ab outside (or cd outside), as you have done.
Instead, use the "FOIL" method, as you would for expanding out the ordinary product of two binomials (a+b)*(c+d). When doing this with the cross product, you have to keep order of the factors.
 
What would you do if u and v were just numbers, and the cross product was just ordinary multiplication?

Can't you do most of the same thing in exactly the same way with cross products? (yes -- but you will have to pay attention to what won't work)
 
Hmm. I thought of something else. Is this right?

(au+bv) X (cu+dv)
= (au X cu) + (au X dv) + (bv X cu) +(bv X dv)
= 0 + ad(u X v) + bc(u X v) + 0
= ad(u X v) + bc(u X v)
 
almost... can you justify the second equal sign?
 
It would just be any vector crossed by itself gives 0. u X u = 0 and v X v = 0.

For the last line, can it be further simplified to

abcd(u X v)?

or should it remain ad(u X v) + bc(u X v)?

Thanks again
 
Is the second term bc(u X v)?
 
ohh bc(v X u)

So,

ad(u X v) + bc(v X u)

or

ad(u X v) -bc(u Xv) (because u X v = -(v X u) )

Hopefully I am now finally right :)
 

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