Simplification of Cross Product Expression

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The discussion revolves around simplifying the expression (au + bv) x (cu + dv), where a, b, c, and d are scalars, and u and v are vectors. Participants are exploring the properties of the cross product and the correct application of algebraic techniques in vector operations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the initial attempt to factor out scalars from the expression and question its validity. There are suggestions to use the "FOIL" method for expanding the cross product, and some participants explore the implications of treating vectors similarly to numbers in multiplication.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on each other's reasoning. Some have offered alternative methods for simplification, while others are questioning the steps taken and seeking clarification on specific equalities. There is no explicit consensus on the final form of the expression yet.

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Participants are considering the properties of the cross product, particularly how vectors interact when crossed with themselves and the implications of scalar multiplication in this context. There is an ongoing examination of assumptions regarding vector operations.

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Hey,

I have the following question,

Simplify
(au + bv) x (cu + dv) where a,b,c,d are scalars and u,v are vectors.

I know that we can take ab ab and cd outside to make the expression
ab(u +v) x cd(u + v) but I am unsure on where to go from here.

Thanks in advance
 
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I don't really know how you should go about simplifying this expression yet, but I do believe your first step is wrong.

See, the way you factored it, when you expand it again the expression would be : (abu + abv) x (cdu + cdv)
 
You can't take ab outside (or cd outside), as you have done.
Instead, use the "FOIL" method, as you would for expanding out the ordinary product of two binomials (a+b)*(c+d). When doing this with the cross product, you have to keep order of the factors.
 
What would you do if u and v were just numbers, and the cross product was just ordinary multiplication?

Can't you do most of the same thing in exactly the same way with cross products? (yes -- but you will have to pay attention to what won't work)
 
Hmm. I thought of something else. Is this right?

(au+bv) X (cu+dv)
= (au X cu) + (au X dv) + (bv X cu) +(bv X dv)
= 0 + ad(u X v) + bc(u X v) + 0
= ad(u X v) + bc(u X v)
 
almost... can you justify the second equal sign?
 
It would just be any vector crossed by itself gives 0. u X u = 0 and v X v = 0.

For the last line, can it be further simplified to

abcd(u X v)?

or should it remain ad(u X v) + bc(u X v)?

Thanks again
 
Is the second term bc(u X v)?
 
ohh bc(v X u)

So,

ad(u X v) + bc(v X u)

or

ad(u X v) -bc(u Xv) (because u X v = -(v X u) )

Hopefully I am now finally right :)
 

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