Simplification Problem before Finding Derivative

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The discussion revolves around finding the derivative of the function \( f(x) = \frac{x - 3x\sqrt{x}}{\sqrt{x}} \). Participants express confusion regarding the simplification process and the application of derivative rules, particularly in relation to exponent manipulation.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants attempt to simplify the function by separating terms and applying exponent rules. Questions arise about the validity of certain simplifications, particularly regarding the expression \( \frac{x}{\sqrt{x}} \) and its implications on exponent subtraction.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided alternative simplifications and derivatives, while others have pointed out errors in reasoning. There is an ongoing exploration of different methods to approach the problem, with no explicit consensus reached on the correct simplification or derivative process.

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Participants note a lack of formal equations or rules being applied, which contributes to the confusion. There is also mention of future topics, such as integration, which may influence their understanding of the current problem.

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Homework Statement



I have a bit of confusion surrounding one of my basic derivative problems:

Find the derivative of the following:

\begin{equation}
f(x) = \frac{x - 3x{\sqrt{x}}}{\sqrt{x}}
\end{equation}

Homework Equations



None, I believe.

The Attempt at a Solution



I think I can simplify this, so I separate them:
\begin{equation}
\frac{x}{x^{1/2}} - \frac{3x. x^{1/2}}{x^{1/2}}
\end{equation}
Using the indices laws, I add and subtract:
\begin{equation}
x^{-1/2} - 3x
\end{equation}
Now it's simplified as far as I can see, so I take the derivative:
\begin{equation}
\frac{-1}{2}x^{-3/2} - 3
\end{equation}
And my final answer is:
\begin{equation}
\frac{-1}{2\sqrt{x^3}} - 3
\end{equation}
I'm confused about simplifying the exponents the way I did. If I have to use the quotient law, I'm not too sure how to apply it correctly in this case.
 
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johnstobbart said:

Homework Statement



I have a bit of confusion surrounding one of my basic derivative problems:

Find the derivative of the following:

\begin{equation}
f(x) = \frac{x - 3x{\sqrt{x}}}{\sqrt{x}}
\end{equation}

Homework Equations



None, I believe.

The Attempt at a Solution



I think I can simplify this, so I separate them:
\begin{equation}
\frac{x}{x^{1/2}} - \frac{3x. x^{1/2}}{x^{1/2}}
\end{equation}
Using the indices laws, I add and subtract:
\begin{equation}
x^{-1/2} - 3x
\end{equation}
Now it's simplified as far as I can see, so I take the derivative:
\begin{equation}
\frac{-1}{2}x^{-3/2} - 3
\end{equation}
And my final answer is:
\begin{equation}
\frac{-1}{2\sqrt{x^3}} - 3
\end{equation}
I'm confused about simplifying the exponents the way I did. If I have to use the quotient law, I'm not too sure how to apply it correctly in this case.

Why do you claim that \frac{x}{\sqrt{x}} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{x}}? The claim is false. If, as you claim, you are just adding/subtracting exponents, then you seem to be saying that 1 - 1/2 = -1/2.

RGV
 
Ray Vickson said:
Why do you claim that \frac{x}{\sqrt{x}} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{x}}? The claim is false. If, as you claim, you are just adding/subtracting exponents, then you seem to be saying that 1 - 1/2 = -1/2.

RGV

Sorry. I made an error. Let me try fix it.
When I simplify f(x) (hopefully correctly this time), I get:
\begin{equation}
x^{1/2} - 3x
\end{equation}
Then when taking the derivative, I get:
\begin{equation}
\frac{x^{-1/2}}{2} - 3
\end{equation}
My final answer is:
\begin{equation}
\frac{1}{2\sqrt{x}} - 3
\end{equation}
 
Last edited:
Writing your problem in terms of exponents instead of radicals make it easier:
\frac{d}{dx}\frac{x-3x^{3/2}}{x^{1/2}}
Split that up to get
\frac{d}{dx}x^{1/2}-3\frac{d}{dx}x
Then your answer is correct. To check your work, it is always good to integrate what you got:
\int \frac{1}{2\sqrt{x}}-3\,dx=\frac{1}{2}\int x^{-1/2}\,dx - 3x=\sqrt{x}-3x
which is what we started with.
 
I haven't started on integration yet, but I do know I'll be doing it soon. Thanks a lot for all your patience and time Millenial and Ray Vickson.
 

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