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The discussion revolves around simplifying an equation involving logarithmic expressions, specifically focusing on the equation y - 1 / 3 = 1 / 3 (x - ln(1/3)). Participants are examining the equivalence of this equation to the form x - 3y + (1 + ln3) = 0 as stated in a textbook.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to simplify the given equation and are questioning the correctness of their manipulations. There is a discussion about the properties of logarithms, particularly the transformation of ln(1/3) to -ln(3), and whether the original poster's steps are valid.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights regarding the logarithmic identities used in the simplification process. There appears to be a recognition that the original poster's result and the textbook's answer are equivalent, although the original poster expresses confusion about the correctness of their solution.

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There is an indication that the textbook's answer is considered correct, which raises questions about the assumptions made in the original poster's calculations. The discussion reflects a need for clarity on logarithmic properties and their application in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement



y - 1 / 3 = 1 / 3 (x - ln(1/3))

The Attempt at a Solution



y - 1 / 3 = 1 / 3 (x - ln(1/3))

0 = 1 /3 x - 1/3 ln(1 / 3) + 1 / 3 - y

0 = x - ln(1 / 3) + 1 - 3y

I don't see any problem with it.

Text book says it's wrong. >_<

The answer is = x - 3y + (1 + ln3) = 0
 
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You have pretty much the same thing, except that they have used

[tex]\text{ln}( 1/x ) = \text{ln}( x^{-1} ) = -\text{ln}(x)[/tex]

to convert [itex]\text{ln}(1/3)[/itex] to [itex]-\text{ln}(3)[/itex].
 
nesan said:

Homework Statement



y - 1 / 3 = 1 / 3 (x - ln(1/3))

The Attempt at a Solution



y - 1 / 3 = 1 / 3 (x - ln(1/3))

0 = 1 /3 x - 1/3 ln(1 / 3) + 1 / 3 - y

0 = x - ln(1 / 3) + 1 - 3y

I don't see any problem with it.

Text book says it's wrong. >_<

The answer is = x - 3y + (1 + ln3) = 0
Your result and the book answer are equivalent.

ln(1/3) = ln(3-1) = (-1) ln(3)
 
Steely Dan said:
You have pretty much the same thing, except that they have used

[tex]\text{ln}( 1/x ) = \text{ln}( x^{-1} ) = -\text{ln}(x)[/tex]

to convert [itex]\text{ln}(1/3)[/itex] to [itex]-\text{ln}(3)[/itex].

Thank you very much. :]

SammyS said:
Your result and the book answer are equivalent.

ln(1/3) = ln(3-1) = (-1) ln(3)
Thank you very much. :]
 

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