Simplifying a trigonometry expression

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The discussion revolves around simplifying a trigonometric expression involving secant and tangent functions. Participants are examining the expression: \([(sec x)(sec^2 x) - (tan x - 1)(sec x tan x)] / sec^2 x\) and exploring various simplification techniques.

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  • Participants are attempting to simplify the expression step by step, with some questioning the correctness of specific steps taken. There are discussions about the notation used, such as whether to write \(sec(x)sec^2(x)\) or \(sec^3(x)\). Some participants are also exploring alternative expressions for secant and tangent functions.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various participants providing feedback on each other's attempts. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of trigonometric identities, but there is no explicit consensus on the final simplification. Multiple interpretations and approaches are being explored.

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Participants express difficulty in writing fractions correctly in the forum format, which may affect their ability to communicate their reasoning clearly. There is also mention of anxiety related to working with trigonometric identities, which may influence the clarity of their contributions.

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Homework Statement



Simplify:

[(sec x)(sec2 x) - (tan x - 1)(sec x tan x)] /
sec2 x


Homework Equations



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The Attempt at a Solution



[(sec x)(sec2 x) - (tan x - 1)(sec x tan x)] /
sec2 x

[(sec x)(sec2 x) - tan x (1 -1) sec x ] /
sec2 x

[(sec x)(sec2 x) - 0 ] /
sec2 x

sec x

Thanks! I hope the above is correct, but it probably isn't.
 
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mileena said:
[(sec x)(sec2 x) - (tan x - 1)(sec x tan x)] /
sec2 x

[(sec x)(sec2 x) - tan x (1 -1) sec x ] /
sec2 x

That step is wrong. You've dropped a tan x. Try it again.
But I would start by getting rid of the denominator. What is another way of expressing 1/sec(θ)?
 
mileena said:

Homework Statement



Simplify:

[(sec x)(sec2 x) - (tan x - 1)(sec x tan x)] /
sec2 x
So
[tex]\frac{sec(x)(sec^2(x))- (tan(x)- 1)(sec(x)tan(x))}{sec^2(x)}[/tex]?

Is there any particular reason for writing "[itex]sec(x)sec^2(x)[/itex]" rather than [itex]sec^3(x)[/itex]?

Homework Equations



none

The Attempt at a Solution



[(sec x)(sec2 x) - (tan x - 1)(sec x tan x)] /
sec2 x

[(sec x)(sec2 x) - tan x (1 -1) sec x ] /
Where did that "(1- 1)" come from?
sec2 x

[(sec x)(sec2 x) - 0 ] /
sec2 x

sec x

Thanks! I hope the above is correct, but it probably isn't.[/QUOTE]
It's easy to check that it is NOT correct. If x= 30 degrees ([itex]\pi/6[/itex] radians), the original expression is [itex](2/3)\sqrt{3}+ 2/3[/itex] while sec(x) is [itex](2/3)\sqrt{3}[/itex].
 
mileena said:

Homework Statement



Simplify:

[(sec x)(sec2 x) - (tan x - 1)(sec x tan x)] /
sec2 x
So
[tex]\frac{sec(x)(sec^2(x))- (tan(x)- 1)(sec(x)tan(x))}{sec^2(x)}[/tex]?

Is there any particular reason for writing "[itex]sec(x)sec^2(x)[/itex]" rather than [itex]sec^3(x)[/itex]?

Homework Equations



none

The Attempt at a Solution



[(sec x)(sec2 x) - (tan x - 1)(sec x tan x)] /
sec2 x

[(sec x)(sec2 x) - tan x (1 -1) sec x ] /
Where did that "(1- 1)" come from?

sec2 x

[(sec x)(sec2 x) - 0 ] /
sec2 x

sec x

Thanks! I hope the above is correct, but it probably isn't.
It's easy to check that it is NOT correct. If x= 30 degrees ([itex]\pi/6[/itex] radians), the original expression is [itex](2/3)\sqrt{3}+ 2/3[/itex] while sec(x) is [itex](2/3)\sqrt{3}[/itex].
 
haruspex said:
That step is wrong. You've dropped a tan x. Try it again.
But I would start by getting rid of the denominator. What is another way of expressing 1/sec(θ)?

Thanks haruspex, and sorry for my late reply. I have a hard time getting online in the evenings.

cos x = 1/sec x

So:

[(sec x)(sec2 x) - (tan x - 1)(sec x tan x)] /
sec2 x

[(sec x)(sec2 x) - (tan x - 1)(sec x tan x)] /
[(sec x)(sec x)]

(cos x)(cos x) [(sec x)(sec2 x) - (tan x - 1)(sec x tan x)]

cos2 x [sec3 x - (sec2 x tan x - sec x tan x)]

[sec3 x/sec2 x] - [[(sec x)(tan2 x - tan x)]/sec2 x]

sec x - [[(tan2 x - tan x)]/sec x]

sec x - [cos x[(tan2 x - tan x)]]

That's it. I don't know how to reduce this more.
 
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mileena said:
Thanks haruspex, and sorry for my late reply. I have a hard time getting online in the evenings.
1 - [[(tan2 x - tan x)]/sec2 x]
That's it. I don't know how to reduce this more.
maybe you can simplify it this way:

[itex]1-\left(\frac{\tan^2(x)-\tan(x)}{1+\tan^2(x)}\right)[/itex]

[itex]\frac{1+\tan^2(x)-\tan^2(x)+\tan(x)}{1+\tan^2(x)}=\frac{1+\tan(x)}{1+\tan^2(x)}[/itex]
 
HallsofIvy said:
So
[tex]\frac{sec(x)(sec^2(x))- (tan(x)- 1)(sec(x)tan(x))}{sec^2(x)}[/tex]?

Is there any particular reason for writing "[itex]sec(x)sec^2(x)[/itex]" rather than [itex]sec^3(x)[/itex]?

Thanks for your reply HallsofIvy!

That is the way the problem was presented to me on the homework!

HallsofIvy said:
Where did that "(1- 1)" come from?

I tried to distribute the tan x out of both factors!
 
mileena said:
(cos x)(cos x) [(sec x)(sec2 x) - (tan x - 1)(sec x tan x)]

cos2 x [sec3 x - (sec2 x tan x - sec x tan x)]
There's a mistake in how you multiplied out the (tan x - 1)(sec x tan x) term.
[sec3 x/sec2 x] - [[(sec x)(tan2 x - tan x)]/sec2 x]
Why flip back to dividing by sec x again? You can use sec x * cos x = 1 without having to turn it back into a division.
 
Ok, I decided to redo the problem. Part of my problem is it's hard to check the work on here because I can't write fractions they way they are supposed to be written without complex computer operations.

Thank you harupex for the tip: sec x * cos x = 1

I knew they were inverses, but it didn't dawn on me to use that equation!

[(sec x)(sec2 x) - (tan x - 1)(sec x tan x)]
/
sec2 x

cos2 x [(sec3 x) - (tan x - 1) (sec x tan x)]

sec x - cos2 x (sec x tan2 x - sec x tan x)

sec x - (cos x tan2 x + cos x tan x)

sec x - [(cos x tan x)(tan x + 1)]
 
  • #10
janhaa said:
maybe you can simplify it this way:

[itex]1-\left(\frac{\tan^2(x)-\tan(x)}{1+\tan^2(x)}\right)[/itex]

[itex]\frac{1+\tan^2(x)-\tan^2(x)+\tan(x)}{1+\tan^2(x)}=\frac{1+\tan(x)}{1+\tan^2(x)}[/itex]

Thanks janhaa! I am not sure what you did though to get rid of the initial "1 -".
 
  • #11
mileena said:
sec x - cos2 x (sec x tan2 x - sec x tan x)

sec x - (cos x tan2 x + cos x tan x)
There's a sign error in that step.
What does cos x tan x simplify to?
Do you know sec2 = 1 + tan2 ? (Can derive this easily from cos2+sin2=1.)
 
  • #12
Ok, I see my error. I become very flustered with trig for some reason. I guess I get anxious when the pressure is on.

Ok, since tan x = sin x/cos x,
cos x tan x reduces to just sin x.

Here it is corrected:

sec x - cos2 x (sec x tan2 x - sec x tan x)

sec x - cos x tan2 x + cos x tan x

sec x - cos x tan2 x + sin x

And yes, I know that sec2 = 1 + tan2 is one of the three Pythagorean identities, but I don't see any sec2 or 1's above.
 
  • #13
mileena said:
sec x - cos x tan2 x + sin x
I don't see any sec2 or 1's above.
No, but there's a tan2.
 
  • #14
Oh my gosh. I think I have it!

sec x - cos x tan2 x + sin x

sec x - cos x (sec2 x -1) + sin x

sec x - cos x sec2 x - cos x + sin x

sec x -sec x - cos x + sin x

sin x - cos x


I hope it's that easy.

For some reason, I am not seeing all the basic trigonometric equivalents.
 

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