Simpson's Paradox: Filling in the numbers

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving two hospitals, A and B, each with low-risk (LR) and high-risk (HR) patient wards. The goal is to determine patient numbers that would satisfy specific cure rate conditions, where Hospital A has lower cure rates in both wards compared to Hospital B.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need to create a table with patient numbers and express uncertainty about how to find suitable numbers that meet the problem's conditions. There are suggestions to think creatively about the distribution of patients in the wards.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring various ways to approach the problem, with some suggesting that the numbers can be made up to fit the conditions. There is an acknowledgment of the need for hints rather than direct answers, indicating a collaborative effort to guide understanding.

Contextual Notes

There is a lack of specific information regarding the distribution of patients in the LR and HR wards, which is central to solving the problem. Participants are encouraged to consider extreme cases to simplify the task.

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Homework Statement



We are given that there are two hospitals A & B.
Each hospital has two separate wards: one for low-risk patients (LR) and one for high-risk patients (HR.)

Hospital A had 120 patients total and cured 60 total. (.5 cure rate)
Hospital B had 700 patients total and cured 280 total. (.4 cure rate)

Hospital A's LR ward had a lower cure rate than Hospital B's LR ward.
Hospital A's HR ward had a lower cure rate than hospital B's HR ward.

Come up with numbers for the following to make this true:
  • Hospital A LR Total Patients
  • Hospital A LR Cured Patients
  • Hospital A HR Total Patients
  • Hospital A HR Cured Patients
  • Hospital B LR Total Patients
  • Hospital B LR Cured Patients
  • Hospital B HR Total Patients
  • Hospital B HR Cured Patients

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The Attempt at a Solution



I've created a table. I don't know how you'd go about finding numbers that would satisfy the problem.

Appreciate the help.
 
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okay so where's the table,? We can't just give you the answer. We can only give hints.
 
Phox said:

Homework Statement



We are given that there are two hospitals A & B.
Each hospital has two separate wards: one for low-risk patients (LR) and one for high-risk patients (HR.)

Hospital A had 120 patients total and cured 60 total. (.5 cure rate)
Hospital B had 700 patients total and cured 280 total. (.4 cure rate)

Hospital A's LR ward had a lower cure rate than Hospital B's LR ward.
Hospital A's HR ward had a lower cure rate than hospital B's HR ward.

Come up with numbers for the following to make this true:
  • Hospital A LR Total Patients
  • Hospital A LR Cured Patients
  • Hospital A HR Total Patients
  • Hospital A HR Cured Patients
  • Hospital B LR Total Patients
  • Hospital B LR Cured Patients
  • Hospital B HR Total Patients
  • Hospital B HR Cured Patients

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution



I've created a table. I don't know how you'd go about finding numbers that would satisfy the problem.

Appreciate the help.

By thinking about it mostly. You aren't given the number of patients in the HR or LR wards. So you get to make them up. Suppose Hospital A's LR ward contains one patient who dies. Suppose Hospital B's HR ward contains one patient who lives. You make up the rest of the numbers.
 
Dick said:
By thinking about it mostly. You aren't given the number of patients in the HR or LR wards. So you get to make them up. Suppose Hospital A's LR ward contains one patient who dies. Suppose Hospital B's HR ward contains one patient who lives. You make up the rest of the numbers.

Excellent, got it.

Thank you.
 
Phox said:
Excellent, got it.

Thank you.

You're welcome. The trick is to pick an extreme case where the numbers of patients in the wards are as lopsided as possible. Then it looks easy.
 

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