Simultaneity of lasers homework

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The problem involves a spaceship moving at a significant fraction of the speed of light relative to a space station, with two lasers fired simultaneously according to observers on the station. The task is to calculate the time difference between the firings of the lasers as measured by observers on the spaceship, given the distance between the marks made by the lasers on the spaceship.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the simultaneity equation from special relativity and question the correct interpretation of spatial measurements in different frames. There is an exploration of using relativistic invariants and the implications of the gamma factor on the measurements.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the interpretation of the problem, particularly regarding the spatial separation of events in different frames. There is an acknowledgment of the need to adhere to high school physics tools, which has led to further clarification of the quantities involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem should be approached using high school physics concepts, avoiding advanced methods like invariants. There is also a clarification that the spatial separation in the SS frame is 5m, not the 6.25m measured in the spaceship frame.

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Homework Statement



A spaceship (SH) moves with speed v=0.6c relative to a space station (SS) (sic!). Two lasers, A and B, on the SS are 5.00m apart as measured by the SS observers. The gamma factor for a speed v=0.6c is 1.25.

The lasers are fired simultaneously acc. to the SS observers. Light from each laser makes a mark on the SH. The SH observers measure the distance between the two marks to be 6.25m.
We are to calculate the difference in time between the firings of the two lasers acc. to the SH observers.


Homework Equations



I'm taking the equation 'for' simultaneity from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_relativity


The Attempt at a Solution



\Delta t' = \gamma \left( \Delta t - \frac{v \Delta x}{c^2} \right),
where in our case:
\Delta t = 0s (events are simultaneous in S frame), \gamma = 0.6c, \Delta x = 6.25m.
It results in 15.6ns.

Please tell whether I'm correct with my attempt.
 
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I would use a relativistic invariant. [tex]r^{\mu}r_{\mu}=(c \Delta t)^{2}-{\Delta r}^{2}[/tex]. This quantity is the inner product of two four vectors so it is invariant under Lorentz transformation. In this case, it would be equal both in the SH frame and the SS frame. Just set it equal for the two frames, plug in what you know, and solve for the unknown.
 


zumulko said:

Homework Statement



A spaceship (SH) moves with speed v=0.6c relative to a space station (SS) (sic!). Two lasers, A and B, on the SS are 5.00m apart as measured by the SS observers. The gamma factor for a speed v=0.6c is 1.25.

The lasers are fired simultaneously acc. to the SS observers. Light from each laser makes a mark on the SH. The SH observers measure the distance between the two marks to be 6.25m.
We are to calculate the difference in time between the firings of the two lasers acc. to the SH observers.

Homework Equations



I'm taking the equation 'for' simultaneity from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_relativity

The Attempt at a Solution



\Delta t' = \gamma \left( \Delta t - \frac{v \Delta x}{c^2} \right),
where in our case:
\Delta t = 0s (events are simultaneous in S frame), \gamma = 0.6c, \Delta x = 6.25m.
It results in 15.6ns.

Please tell whether I'm correct with my attempt.
The unprimed quantities are measurements in the SS frame, so [itex]\Delta x\ne 6.25~\textrm{m}[/itex].
 


vela said:
The unprimed quantities are measurements in the SS frame, so [itex]\Delta x\ne 6.25~\textrm{m}[/itex].


To americanforest: I forgot to add that it should be solved with high school physics tools, therefore we mustn't use the invariant.

To vela: I agree. We should thus divide the 6.25m by gamma factor, right?
 


No, not quite. Δt is the temporal difference between two events, right? Δx is the spatial distance between those same two events. What are the two events and how far apart in space are they?
 


vela said:
No, not quite. Δt is the temporal difference between two events, right? Δx is the spatial distance between those same two events. What are the two events and how far apart in space are they?


The two events are the firings. Since they are simultaneous in SS frame, dt=0. We also know that in SS frame their spatial separation is dx=5m.
 


Yup, you got it.
 

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