Simultaneously testing the Kochen-Specker and Bell theorems

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The discussion centers on the simultaneous testing of the Kochen-Specker and Bell theorems, exploring the implications of contextuality and non-locality in quantum mechanics. Participants examine the relationship between these two foundational concepts and the results of a recent experiment that claims to demonstrate both phenomena concurrently.

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  • Some participants note that the paper presents the first experiment proving both Bell and Kochen-Specker theorems simultaneously, suggesting a link between non-locality and contextuality.
  • Others argue that the idea of non-locality being a consequence of contextuality has been a long-standing notion in the field, with references to the compatibility of observables in Bell tests versus Kochen-Specker tests.
  • A participant questions whether every non-local state is contextual, proposing that while every contextual state is non-local, the reverse may not hold true.
  • Another participant agrees with the first part of the previous claim but challenges the assertion that all contextual states are non-local, stating that only entangled states exhibit non-locality.
  • There is a mention of the broader implications of contextuality subsuming non-locality, with references to quantum information theory and non-signaling features.
  • Participants discuss the existence of specific states in quantum systems that may be non-local yet non-contextual, referencing additional literature.

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between contextuality and non-locality, with some asserting that contextuality is broader and subsumes non-locality, while others challenge this perspective. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these relationships.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of contextuality and non-locality, as well as the implications of specific quantum states in the context of the discussed theorems.

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Kochen-Specker rules out non-contextual hidden variable theories and Bell's theorem rules out local theories. I thought this was an interesting paper, particularly the authors' conclusions:
Previous experiments have demonstrated, separately, the violation of Bell inequalities and KS paradoxes. Bell experiments consist of local measurements on composite systems prepared in quantum entangled states, KS experiments consist of sequential measurements on systems in arbitrary quantum states. Each type of experiments shows a fundamental property of nature: Bell experiments show non-locality, KS experiments show contextuality. Here we have presented the first experiment in which both Bell and the KS theorems are proven simultaneously. Our results show that nature's non-locality is indeed a consequence of of nature's contextuality, and pave the way towards a deeper understanding of quantum theory.
Simultaneously testing the Kochen-Specker and Bell theorems
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1308.6336.pdf
 
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That non-locality is in some sense a consequence of contextuality has been the lore in the field for a long time, I think, with the usual argument being that the spatial separation employed in Bell tests is merely a way to guarantee the compatibility of observables, which is otherwise a problem in Kochen-Specker tests (basically, in real measurements, due to errors, you never have perfect compatibility; but for anything other than perfect compatibility, the notion of (non-)contextuality doesn't really make sense). Recall that Bell derived the Kochen-Specker theorem first, and then went on to prove the theorem that now bears his name, pretty much exactly because he thought that only the locality constraint can make sense of the assumption that the measurements shouldn't influence one another.

But what they're doing in the paper seems to be something different, some kind of set of Kochen-Specker measurements which 'combine' to a Bell test; I'll have to take a closer look to see how exactly that relates to the above, if it does.

In any case, I suppose the point of view that the main no-hidden-variables theorems, meaning Leggett-Garg in addition to Bell and Kochen-Specker, are really just different aspects of 'the same thing' is becoming more and more widespread; I think it was Arthur Fine who (late 70s? Early 80s?) first argued that this 'same thing' is the impossibility of finding a joint probability distribution whose marginals are capable of accounting for all experimentally observed correlations. From this point of view, the three theorems really just differ in how they attempt to ensure the independence of measurements---in the Bell case, it's locality, for Kochen-Specker, compatibility of measurements, and for Leggett-Garg, the 'noninvasiveness' of measurement.
 
Interesting.-------
and is every state that is nonlocal is contextual ?

because, every state that is contextual is nonlocal..
 
audioloop said:
and is every state that is nonlocal is contextual ?

because, every state that is contextual is nonlocal.
Yes to the first part, but no to the second: every state in a quantum system of d > 3 is contextual, but only entangled states are nonlocal.
 
S.Daedalus said:
Yes to the first part, but no to the second: every state in a quantum system of d > 3 is contextual, but only entangled states are nonlocal.

right

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=619905

audioloop said:
mutually agree.
contextuality is broader, subsumes nonlocality.
same thing in quantum information (nonlocality is a generic feature of non-signaling).


Existence of two spin-1/2 states that are non-local yet non-contextual.
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1207.1952v1.pdf
 

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