Slopes of tangent lines of parametric curves.

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The discussion revolves around determining the conditions for horizontal and vertical tangents of parametric curves, specifically focusing on the first and second derivatives of a parametric function.

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  • Participants explore the definitions of horizontal and vertical tangents, questioning the conditions under which these occur. There is a discussion about the implications of dy/dx being zero for horizontal tangents and undefined for vertical tangents. Some participants also consider the relationship between dy/dx and dx/dy in the context of vertical tangents.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the conditions for horizontal and vertical tangents. Some guidance has been offered regarding the evaluation of derivatives to identify these conditions, though there is no explicit consensus on the interpretations presented.

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Participants are navigating the nuances of derivative notation and its implications for tangent slopes, with some noting potential pitfalls in the definitions and calculations involved.

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1. The problem statement,ll variables and given/known data
I have the first and second derivatives of a parametric function and the book is asking for when the slope of the tangent is vertical and horizontal. I get that horizontal is when dy/dx is 0. But what about vertical, is that dy/dx is 1?



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rmiller70015 said:
1. The problem statement,ll variables and given/known data
I have the first and second derivatives of a parametric function and the book is asking for when the slope of the tangent is vertical and horizontal. I get that horizontal is when dy/dx is 0. But what about vertical, is that dy/dx is 1?

If the tangent line has slope 1, wouldn't it be at a 45 degree angle? Think about dx/dy at a vertical tangent line point.
 
When it's vertical, dy/dx is undefined. This is an abuse of notation, but it may help you to think of an undefined value as being 1/0 = \pm \infty So if you have

\frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{f(x)}{g(x)}

Then to find where the tangent is horizontal, you need to evaluate f(x)=0 and to find where it is vertical you calculate g(x)=0. But keep in mind that when solving either one, the x value you find cannot also be a zero of the other. So for example,

y=log(x-1) x>1

\frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{1}{x-1}=\frac{x}{x(x-1)} I just added a factor of x into the numerator and denominator for illustrative purposes. It doesn't change the function over real values of x.

There is a vertical tangent to the function y at x=1, but at x=0 there is neither a vertical or horizontal even though x=0 gives us 0 in the numerator and in the denominator.
 
Thanks so very very much for this clears up a lot.
 

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