Small amplitude oscillations of a ball with water

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The problem involves a thin spherical shell filled with water, suspended from a ceiling, and examines the change in frequency of small amplitude oscillations when the water freezes. The context is within the subject area of oscillatory motion and physical pendulums.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of the transition from water to ice on the oscillation frequency, with some questioning the role of viscosity and torque in the system. There are attempts to apply conservation of energy principles and considerations of rotational dynamics.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of how the water and ice affect the oscillation dynamics. Some guidance has been offered regarding the energy expressions for both states, but no consensus has been reached on the specifics of the mechanics involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the effects of neglecting viscosity and the assumptions regarding the rotational behavior of water versus ice within the shell.

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Homework Statement


The interior of a thin spherical shell of mass M and radius R is completely filled with water and hangs from a ceiling on a light thread. The distance from the sphere's center to the hanging point is L, and the mass of water is m. Determine the change in the frequency of small amplitude oscillations of this system when the water freezes. (Neglect the viscosity of water, and the change of volume upon freezing.)


Homework Equations


[tex]f = c \sqrt{g/L}[/tex]


The Attempt at a Solution


Well its even hard to see there's a difference. But for the water part there's no viscosity, it some how changes the frequency. No idea how, or how to do this.

The ice ball follows [tex]f = c \sqrt{g/L}[/tex].

Ideas?
 
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This is a physical pendulum. If you use conservation of energy, you have to take the rotational energy of the ball into account.

In case of ice, the spherical shell with the ice inside constitute a solid body. The ice rotates together the sphere. If water is inside, and viscosity is neglected, no torque acts on the water. It orientation remains the same, it does not rotate with respect to the ground.

ehild
 
What do you mean no torque acts on the water? If no torque then how would the water rotate?

What do you mean orientation remains the same. It won't go in a projectile motion but more linear.
 
I mean that the water will not rotate around its centre of mass, but the shell will.

The whole thing is a pendulum, the sphere oscillates along a piece of circle.

There is no friction between water and shell, the energy is conserved.

Write down the expression of energy for both cases: water and ice.

ehild
 
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