Smoothness of a Parametrized Curve: Understanding the Definition

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The discussion revolves around the definition of smoothness for a parametrized curve, specifically focusing on the conditions under which the derivative of the curve is considered non-zero. Participants explore the implications of having components of the derivative equal to zero while maintaining the overall derivative as non-zero.

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  • Participants question whether having two components of the derivative equal to zero while the third is non-zero still qualifies the curve as smooth. They discuss the implications of the derivative being the zero vector and explore examples to illustrate their points.

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Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the conditions for smoothness, indicating that not all components of the derivative need to be non-zero simultaneously. The conversation includes examples that illustrate the concept of smoothness and the behavior of the curve at critical points.

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There is a focus on the definitions and conditions surrounding smoothness, with participants referencing specific mathematical functions to illustrate their points. The discussion includes considerations of continuity and the behavior of curves at points where derivatives may equal zero.

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Hi

I have a general question about the definition. I know that a curve parametrized by t is smooth if the derivative r'(t) is not 0. I assume this is the 0 vector?

So then does that mean that if we have r(t) = f(t)i + g(t)j + r(t)k then any of the two can be 0 simultaneously while the third isn't 0 and the curve is still smooth? For example, can f'(t) = 0 and g'(t) = 0 at some point t0 and with r'(t) not 0 then the curve is smooth? Or must f'(t), g'(t) and r'(t) all not be 0?

Thank you.
 
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Yes to both. r'(t)=0 means the zero vector and f'(t), g'(t) and h'(t) not all zero is the correct condition.
 
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bodensee9 said:
Hi

I have a general question about the definition. I know that a curve parametrized by t is smooth if the derivative r'(t) is not 0. I assume this is the 0 vector?

So then does that mean that if we have r(t) = f(t)i + g(t)j + r(t)k then any of the two can be 0 simultaneously while the third isn't 0 and the curve is still smooth? For example, can f'(t) = 0 and g'(t) = 0 at some point t0 and with r'(t) not 0 then the curve is smooth? Or must f'(t), g'(t) and r'(t) all not be 0?

Thank you.

It means the vector is not the zero vector. So as long as one of the components isn't zero, you are OK. Think of t as time and r(t) representing a moving point. You don't want the point to smoothly come to a stop and then go in a different direction. For example consider:

f(t) =<br /> <br /> \left \{<br /> \begin{array}{}<br /> t^2, t \ge 0\\<br /> 0, t \leq 0<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right.<br />

and

g(t) =<br /> <br /> \left \{<br /> \begin{array}{}<br /> 0, t \ge 0\\<br /> t^2, t \leq 0<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right.<br />

and look at the curve

\vec{r}(t) = &lt; f(t), g(t) &gt;

This \vec{r}(t) has a continuous derivative even at t = 0. The problem is that the point stops at the origin and makes a right angle turn. You don't want to call that "smooth", so you don't want the velocity, which is to say the derivative, to be zero.
 

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