Snog, Marry, Avoid: Male Makeover in UK Reality Show

[maverick_starstrider]

No one's talking about jocks, nerds, or picking on someone. You should pay attention to what I said, not what I didn't say. I said he looks like a fool.

You wouldn't consider calling someone a fool, picking on them? I got to get my *** over to britain.

 

[Cyrus]

You wouldn't consider calling someone a fool, picking on them? I got to get my *** over to britain.

When did I say I would walk up to him and say "Hey, you. You're a stupid fool - you fool". Stop reading into what I'm not saying.

 

[maverick_starstrider]

I think, for whatever reason, he want's attention he's not getting by being normal. there's absolutely a reason why he decides to dress like that.

All you have to do is thumb through a GQ magazine to realize that you dress well while having your own style and still have people give you attention (and positive attention), without looking like a clown.

Actually I think the people in GQ look like douches. Considering we could have arbitrarily picked any fashion to be the "societal norm" for men, who was responsible for picking one that looked so iffeminate. This isn't being hypocritical, if you feel like the guy who dresses like a metrosexual then have at it. But in terms of picking a style that people will blindly follow regardless what it looks like... We could have injected some testoserone.

 

[maverick_starstrider]

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[GeorginaS]

All of your "you old people picking on young people" commentary leads me to ask you, maverick starstrider, how old are you?

 

[Tobias Funke]

You see? You see what happens when you don't dress normally? You cause arguments on PF. I hope you're happy, male ganguro.

 

[maverick_starstrider]

All of your "you old people picking on young people" commentary leads me to ask you, maverick starstrider, how old are you?

I don't want to say because then people will try and say inane things like "well wait till you're age X and then you'll understand". But I'm in graduate school.

 

[Cyrus]

Actually I think the people in GQ look like douches.

There you goooooooooooo. See, it's ok to have an opinion. It means you have a brain and can make judgments.

 

[maverick_starstrider]

There you goooooooooooo. See, it's ok to have an opinion.

I never said it wasn't. I also never said that when people try and dress a certain way that they aren't trying to make a statement. My contention is that it is a negative thing to consciously try and separate oneself (even if done in a very average, over done way) from others. To me that is far more virtuous then trying to beat people back into line with derision.

 

[Cyrus]

You very clearly couldn't deal with the fact that I had a negative opinion of him.

 

[maverick_starstrider]

Do you hate this guy because he's different or because he didn't want to be like you?

 

[Cyrus]

I said "I'm sure he's probably a nice guy". You're selectively reading what I say. I don't hate him, I don't even know him. I don't know how you can claim such things?

Did I say he should be like me?

I think you should reread what I said about the GQ thing, and having your own style.

Dressing like a transsexual doesn't fall into the style category.

 

[maverick_starstrider]

You very clearly couldn't deal with the fact that I had a negative opinion of him.

If by "couldn't deal with" you mean I didn't stand by while you lambast him for distinguishing himself then yes. http://isurvived.org/home.html#Prologue

 

[Cyrus]

If by "couldn't deal with" you mean I didn't stand by while you lambast him for distinguishing himself then yes. http://isurvived.org/home.html#Prologue

Wow man, that's a low argument. Really, really low. The line was about a mile back when you crossed it.

 

[TheStatutoryApe]

Maverick, I'll tell you right now that no one on here has reacted in any way other than what is expected by any mature member of a subcultural community that includes persons who dress in a comperable fashion to the guy in the OP. In fact most people in the Goth, Punk, Industrial, or what ever scene would consider your level of seriousness on this matter silly and poser-ish even among their peers. Most Goths, Punks, and Rivets would also make fun of the guy in the OP even if they dressed in a similarly garish fashion themselves.

Really, you are not very well representing the community of "freaks" that you are protesting on behalf of.

 

[maverick_starstrider]

Wow man, that's a low argument. Really, really low.

Well the fact that it is about the holocaust is unintentional. If I knew of a similar poem to quote that wasn't bringing the H-bomb (holocaust/hitler) I would have posted it instead. I was just going for the overall sentiment of the poem not the historical gravitas. I'm not calling you a nazi.

 

[Cyrus]

Well the fact that it is about the holocaust is unintentional. If I knew of a similar poem to quote that wasn't bringing the H-bomb (holocaust/hitler) I would have posted it instead. I was just going for the overall sentiment of the poem not the historical gravitas. I'm not calling you a nazi.

What the F-bomb does that have to do with our discussion? You are way, way out of line. I suggest you find a better site with the poem instead of posting that offensive link the way you did.

 

[maverick_starstrider]

Maverick, I'll tell you right now that no one on here has reacted in any way other than what is expected by any mature member of a subcultural community that includes persons who dress in a comperable fashion to the guy in the OP. In fact most people in the Goth, Punk, Industrial, or what ever scene would consider your level of seriousness on this matter silly and poser-ish even among their peers. Most Goths, Punks, and Rivets would also make fun of the guy in the OP even if they dressed in a similarly garish fashion themselves.

Really, you are not very well representing the community of "freaks" that you are protesting on behalf of.

Dude, did you not see me post Social D. If I was part of a particular subculture which one do you THINK i'd be part of?

 

[DaveC426913]

I said he looks stupid. I base this on my stylistic taste. Again, he's free to look stupid in public every day if he wants to. That's his choice. That doesn't mean I won't think he looks stupid though.

This is a much more reasonable stance. You should stick to this.

I can just imagine him trying to get a real job dressed like that.

You are imposing your preconceptions upon someone. Why would you impose such a silly, artificial situation on this video? Is there something about him that makes you think he's on his way to a job interview? If I took a pictiure of you, in your bed, in your pajamas, could I then judge what a moron you are because you're not dressed for an interview? Would my opinion be worth the phosphorus and electrons it uses?

The kid is stupid in many, many respects. Socially, he's retarded.

Admit that you know absolutely nothing about his stupidity or his social aptitude.

I think, for whatever reason, he want's attention he's not getting by being normal.

This is a atelling comment. Why, on a planet of 6 billion people, is "normal" a desirable trait?

 

[DaveC426913]

I think, for whatever reason, he want's attention he's not getting by being normal.

Yes well, some people seek attention by tailoring their clothing for maximum shock value, other people seek attention by tailoring their opinions for maximum shock value.

 

[maverick_starstrider]

What the F-bomb does that have to do with our discussion? You are way, way out of line.

It has to do with your attempts to characterize my strong opposition to your prejudice as some form of mental instability or coming from a place of self interest (the quips about "do I dress that way"). It has to do with the fact that you think I'm being irrational by not standing by while you ridicule this guy for silly reasons.

 

[Cyrus]

You are imposing your preconceptions upon someone. Why would you impose such a silly, artificial situation on this video? Is there something about him that makes you think he's on his way to a job interview? If I took a pictiure of you, in your bed, in your pajamas, could I then judge what a moron you are because you're not dressed for an interview? Would my opinion be worth the phosphorus and electrons it uses?

What a weak argument, Dave. He isn't in his pajamas and no one 'got-cha'ed him when taking the video. Pah-lease. You need to look up the word preconceptions too, as I made no value judgments about him as a person. I said "He's probably a nice guy". Did you not read that? Feel free to go back and read that over again. and again, and again, so it's stuck in your mind. Then I won't have to waste my time responding to replies on what I didn't say. (This is getting annoying)

Admit that you know absolutely nothing about his stupidity or his social aptitude.

Obviously, I do if he dresses like that. He is socially awkward because that's not socially acceptable. This is rather obvious.

Yes well, some people seek attention by tailoring their clothing for maximum shock value, other people seek attention by tailoring their opinions for maximum shock value.

And some tailor their posts for maximum shock and awe. weeeeeeeeeuuuuuuuuuuuuu KABOOM.

When are you taking me out for fancy food dressed like a transsexual Dave? Since you're ok with it, then you should be expected to dress like that because it's fine. Otherwise, you're being hypocritical.

 

[maverick_starstrider]

Wow. I bet Evo was no expecting this when she posted that link.

 

[rootX]

I wouldn't trust him (as a stranger) if he dressed like that. It is easier to trust people(strangers) who dress/behave conservatively.

 

[TheStatutoryApe]

Dude, did you not see me post Social D. If I was part of a particular subculture which one do you THINK i'd be part of?

Hell if I know. If you looked at my music collection you'd find Rasputina, Devil Doll, Cherry Poppin Daddys, Combichrist, Type-0-Negative, Descendents, Ray Charles, Digital Underground, Mr.BT... can you figure out what subculture I belong/belonged to?

 

[maverick_starstrider]

I wouldn't trust him (as a stranger) if he dressed like that.

Trust him with what? To mow your lawn? To be your employee? To vote? In your mind what has he agreed to disqualify himself from if he choses to dress this way?

 

[maverick_starstrider]

Hell if I know. If you looked at my music collection you'd find Rasputina, Devil Doll, Cherry Poppin Daddys, Combichrist, Type-0-Negative, Descendents, Ray Charles, Digital Underground, Mr.BT... can you figure out what subculture I belong/belonged to?

Wow, you're like the first person I've met who know rasputina. But Type-o-negative and descendants definitely is suggestive of counter culture leanings. But who knows, maybe you just like the sound.

 

[DaveC426913]

What a weak argument, Dave. He isn't in his pajamas and no one 'got-cha'ed him when taking the video. Pah-lease.

Are you deliberately being obtuse?

You are judging him in a context of your choosing.
Like I could put you, in your pajams, in a context of my choosing. Yes, you would look like and idiot in your pajamas - if you were going to an interview.

Obviously, I do if he dresses like that. He is socially awkward because that's not socially acceptable. This is rather obvious.

You know perfectly well this argument is completely fallacious. You are just being contrariwise.

And some tailor their posts for maximum shock and awe. weeeeeeeeeuuuuuuuuuuuuu KABOOM.

When are you taking me out for fancy food dressed like a transsexual Dave? Since you're ok with it, then you should be expected to dress like that because it's fine. Otherwise, you're being hypocritical.

More of the same 'tude.


I can't believe it. Dude. You are exhibiting classic trolling behaviour.

 

[Cyrus]

You know perfectly well this argument is completely fallacious. You are just being contrariwise.

No, I'm dead serious in saying that. Point out the fallacy then. If you think its socially acceptable to walk around like a transsexual you're clueless. Spare me the "im being obtuse". You're arguing just for the sake of arguing. A person who is sociable doesn't go around dressing counter to the social norms.

I can't believe it. Dude. You are exhibiting classic trolling behaviour.

I'd like to know why you wouldn't wear what he's wearing in public. Please tell me. I'd really like to hear what you have to say. Don't dance around my question. Why would you, DaveC, not go around town dressed like a transsexual?

 

[maverick_starstrider]

No, I'm dead serious in saying that. Point out the fallacy then.




I'm dead serious. I'd like to know why you wouldn't wear what he's wearing in public. Please tell me. I'd really like to hear what you have to say. Don't dance around my question.

Because maybe it's not his style. I don't wear a standard suit and tie (I went to a uniform high school, I never want to see those things again). Does that invalidate the style altogether? Now let me ask you. How are you not really just saying "why does this guy have to be such a f*gg*t?"