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The discussion revolves around implicit solutions for differential equations, specifically focusing on the manipulation of expressions involving the exponential function e^xy. Participants are examining how to simplify a derivative expression to reach a particular form.

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  • Participants are attempting to understand the process of simplifying the expression dy/dy=1-e^xy(y)/ e^xy(x)+1 to dy/dy = e^-xy - y/ e^-xy + x. There are questions about the correct placement of parentheses and the implications of taking out e^xy from the numerator and denominator.

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Some participants are seeking clarification on the original expressions and the steps involved in the simplification process. There is an emphasis on ensuring mathematical expressions are clear and unambiguous, with multiple interpretations being explored regarding the manipulation of the equations.

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Participants note the importance of including parentheses for clarity in mathematical expressions, which may affect the understanding of the problem. There is also a suggestion to provide the original relation involving x and y for better context.

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Why can you Take out An E^xy??

Homework Statement



Im learning about implicit solutions for differential equations. Anyways I took the derivative of a relation containing x and y to get

dy/dy=1-e^xy(y)/ e^xy(x)+1


Homework Equations



Anywhoo it turns out to be a solution to the diff eq dy/dy = e^-xy - y/ e^-xy + x



The Attempt at a Solution



Apparently you can take out an e^xy from dy/dy=1-e^xy(y)/ e^xy(x)+1 in order to get to
dy/dy = e^-xy - y/ e^-xy + x

How exactly is this so? How does this work...I hope you understand my question
 
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bmed90 said:

Homework Statement



Im learning about implicit solutions for differential equations. Anyways I took the derivative of a relation containing x and y to get

dy/dy=1-e^xy(y)/ e^xy(x)+1

Homework Equations



Anywhoo it turns out to be a solution to the diff eq dy/dy = e^-xy - y/ e^-xy + x

The Attempt at a Solution



Apparently you can take out an e^xy from dy/dy=1-e^xy(y)/ e^xy(x)+1 in order to get to
dy/dy = e^-xy - y/ e^-xy + x

How exactly is this so? How does this work...I hope you understand my question
In order for your question to be understood (without a lot of guessing by the reader) you really need to include parentheses where they're needed so that your mathematical expressions are unambiguous.

What is to be included in you numerators?

What is to be included in you denominators?

etc. ...
 


bmed90 said:
dy/dy=1-e^xy(y)/ e^xy(x)+1
dy/dy = 1. Always.

Assuming you mean dy/dx - I'll echo SammyS, who just posted while I was typing, and ask for more clarity. And it wouldn't hurt to post the original xy-relation, either.
 


Alright So Basically I just want to know how one goes from this

dy/dy= 1-(e^xy)(y)/ (e^xy)(x)+1

to this

dy/dy = (e^-xy) - y/ (e^-xy) + x

by taking out an e^xy from the top and bottom
 


bmed90 said:
Alright So Basically I just want to know how one goes from this

dy/dy= 1-(e^xy)(y)/ (e^xy)(x)+1

to this

dy/dy = (e^-xy) - y/ (e^-xy) + x

by taking out an e^xy from the top and bottom
Taking your parentheses literally you have:

dy/dy= 1-(e^xy)(y)/ (e^xy)(x)+1

which means:

[itex]\displaystyle \frac{dy}{dx}=1-(e^{xy})\frac{y}{e^{xy}}x+1\,.[/itex]

And the equation:

dy/dy = (e^-xy) - y/ (e^-xy) + x

which means:

[itex]\displaystyle \frac{dy}{dx}=(e^{-xy})-\frac{y}{e^{xy}}+x\,.[/itex]

On the other hand:

dy/dy= (1-e^(xy)(y)) / ((e^(xy))(x)+1)

means:

[itex]\displaystyle \frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{1-e^{xy}(y)}{e^{xy}(x)+1}\,.[/itex]
 

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