So why does the integral represent an infinite sum?

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The discussion centers around the relationship between integrals and infinite sums, particularly in the context of the fundamental theorem of calculus. Participants explore the conceptual basis for why an integral can be viewed as a summation and the implications of this relationship in mathematical analysis.

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  • Some participants suggest that the Riemann integral represents a sum of infinite rectangles over an interval, with the areas of these rectangles approximating the integral.
  • Others explain the fundamental theorem of calculus as a means to illustrate the relationship between integration and differentiation, using the concept of a telescoping sum to show how integrals and derivatives are opposites.
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Participants generally agree on the foundational concepts linking integrals and sums, but there is some confusion regarding the Riemann Hypothesis and its relevance to the discussion. The relationship between integration and differentiation is discussed, but no consensus is reached on the broader implications or interpretations of these concepts.

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Some assumptions about the definitions of integrals and derivatives are present, and the discussion relies on the understanding of limits and the behavior of functions as intervals become infinitesimally small. The mention of the Riemann Hypothesis introduces a potential misunderstanding regarding its connection to the integral-summation relationship.

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In an earlier post i was shown how to represent an integral as an infinite sum. So why is the anti derivative a summation by definition? For example, the derivative dy/dx is found by f(x+h)-f(x)/h.
 
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lundyjb said:
In an earlier post i was shown how to represent an integral as an infinite sum. So why is the anti derivative a summation by definition? For example, the derivative dy/dx is found by f(x+h)-f(x)/h.

I assume you mean the Riemann integral. Integrals are a sum of infinite rectangles taken over an interval. Each of these rectangles has an area and we use those areas to approximate the integral ( presuming we are talking about definite integrals ).

The Riemann sum, is that sum of the areas of those rectangles, and as we let n→∞ ( we chop the rectangles finely enough so that they cover the area completely ), the sum converges to the same value you will get from the definite integral. Hence why you can write :

##lim_{n→∞} \sum^{n}_{i=0} f(x_{i}^{*}) Δx_i = \int_{a}^{b} f(x) dx##
 
The answer to that question is basically the fundamental theorem of calculus.

To show enough to make this plausible, imagine you break the interval [a,b] into pieces. Call the pieces [a,x1], [x1,x2], [x2,x3] ... [xN-1,xN], [xN,b].
Assume they are equally large intervals and that xi+1-xi=h. Now you have a function F(x) and its derivative is F'(x)=f(x).

To show that the summation definition of the integral is in a sense the opposite of the derivative, we need to show that
\int_{a}^{b}f(x)dx=\int_{a}^{b}F'(x)dx = F(b)-F(a)
Use the definition of the derivative as an approximation (becomes exact as h goes to 0):
F'(x_i)\approx\frac{F(x_{i+1})-F(x_i)}{h}
Now look at the summation definition of the integral (again, only becomes exactly the integral as h goes to 0). Also, for convenience, let a=x0 and b=xN+1.
\int_{a}^{b}F'(x)dx =\sum_{i=0}^{N}F'(x_i)*(x_{i+1}-x_i)
Remember that xi+1-xi=h, so
\int_{a}^{b}F'(x)dx =\sum_{i=0}^{N}F'(x_i)*h
\approx\sum_{i=0}^{N}\frac{F(x_{i+1})-F(x_i)}{h}*h
=\sum_{i=0}^{N}F(x_{i+1})-F(x_i)
This type of sum is called a 'telescoping sum'. Watch what happens when you write the first few terms:
F(x1) -F(x0)+F(x2) -F(x1)+F(x3) -F(x2)+F(x4) -F(x3)
Notice that every term cancels another one except -F(x0) and +F(x4). No matter how many terms you add, all of them will cancel except the first and last. So that integral is
\int_{a}^{b}F'(x)dx = F(x_{N+1})-F(x_0)=F(b)-F(a)

So hopefully that shows how they are opposites.
 
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I thought the 'theoretical' answer to that question was a millenium problem (Riemann Hypothesis). I might be wrong though.
 
CubicFlunky77 said:
I thought the 'theoretical' answer to that question was a millenium problem (Riemann Hypothesis). I might be wrong though.
The Riemann Hypothesis is something else. It relates to the zeroes of the Riemann zeta function. This problem was solved in the 1600's.
 

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