Sodium hydride from sodium and hydrochloric acid

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The discussion centers on the formation of sodium hydride from sodium and hydrochloric acid, exploring the reactions involved, the conditions necessary for these reactions, and the properties of sodium hydride. Participants examine both theoretical and practical aspects of these chemical interactions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that sodium can react with hydrochloric acid to produce sodium chloride and free hydrogen, while questioning whether sodium hydride can also be formed in this reaction.
  • There is a suggestion that sodium hydride can be produced by passing hydrochloric gas into liquid sodium, contingent on the number of moles of sodium exceeding those of HCl.
  • Concerns are raised about the heat produced during the reaction and whether it would be sufficient to ignite sodium hydride, with references to its flammability.
  • Participants discuss the conditions under which sodium can react with hydrochloride salts, with some indicating that this is dependent on the free energy of formation of the products.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the term "hydrochloride salt," with one participant stating it is an outdated term for certain chloride salts.
  • There is a conditional agreement that in the absence of oxygen, sodium metal can react to form sodium chloride and sodium hydride, provided there is an excess of sodium.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and uncertainty regarding the reactions and conditions for forming sodium hydride, with some competing views on the role of hydrochloride salts and the effects of oxygen in these reactions.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of consensus on the specific reactions involving hydrochloride salts and the conditions required for sodium hydride formation, as well as the implications of oxygen presence in these reactions.

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i know that sodium react with hydrochloric acid to form sodium chloride and(according to what i readed) free hydrogen. but i also readed in wikipedia that sodium hydride is made by the direct reaction of liquid sodium with hydrogen. so sodium hydride can be formed in good proportion by passing hydrochloride gas into liquid sodium?, and what about hydrochloride salts? sodium can also react with the hydrochloride to form sodium hydride and sodium chloride?.

and another question, dose sodium hydride is pyrophoric? dose sodium hydride can be extracted from that reaction without inert atmosphere?
 
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chloe100 said:
sodium hydride can be formed in good proportion by passing hydrochloride gas into liquid sodium?/QUOTE]
chloe100 said:
and what about hydrochloride salts?
Same question: IF the number of moles of sodium exceeds the number of moles of HCl being reacted, yes.
 
so it reacts with both HCl gas and salts?. and what about the reaction itself? it will produce enough heat to burn the sodium hydride? i readed in wiki that this substance is extremely flammable.
 
chloe100 said:
salts?
Only if the free energy of formation of NaCl is greater than that of the chloride salt being reacted.
chloe100 said:
the reaction itself?
Which reaction? The NaH formation?
chloe100 said:
enough heat to burn the sodium hydride?
If you're forming NaH, the reaction forming it will not "burn" it. If you do this in the presence of oxygen, all you form is Na2O and water.
 
Bystander said:
Only if the free energy of formation of NaCl is greater than that of the chloride salt being reacted.

Which reaction? The NaH formation?

If you're forming NaH, the reaction forming it will not "burn" it. If you do this in the presence of oxygen, all you form is Na2O and water.
i meant to the hydrochloride salt, does sodium metal can react with some hydrochloride salts to form NaH?. if so it can work with the presence of oxygen?
 
chloe100 said:
the hydrochloride salt
"Hydrochloride salt" is an archaic (outdated, obsolete, useless, meaningless) term for describing chloride salts formed with organic bases, usually containing nitrogen, but there are others.
chloe100 said:
with the presence of oxygen?
No.
 
Bystander said:
"Hydrochloride salt" is an archaic (outdated, obsolete, useless, meaningless) term for describing chloride salts formed with organic bases, usually containing nitrogen, but there are others.

No.
Bystander said:
"Hydrochloride salt" is an archaic (outdated, obsolete, useless, meaningless) term for describing chloride salts formed with organic bases, usually containing nitrogen, but there are others.

No.
so basicaly in the presence of oxygen sodium metal will react with this kind of salt(just called "chloride"?) to form sodium chloride and sodium oxide and water(sodium hydroxide at the end right?) and without oxygen it will form sodium chloride and sodium hydride?.
 
chloe100 said:
without oxygen it will form sodium chloride and sodium hydride?.
Yes, so long as there is an excess of sodium metal beyond what's consumed forming the chloride.
 

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